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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I definitely did not overestimate my interviewing skills- I did much better than I expected. I believe I did all that you listed, and I don't think I bid too high (I'm not surprised by the V10 rejections I got, but disappointed by some others). I don't think it's all grades, but it sounds like people with excellent grades and amazing resumes are a cinch for CBs, and people who are the best interviewers get a lot of CBs as well. Then there a lot of people like me who probably aren't the absolute best on either front, but overall present a very good, well-rounded candidacy that should be equal to the person who is mostly strong on one front.


It seems like most of the people I've heard about with trouble like OP is having are K-JDs. Do you have a convincing narrative to tell in your interviews about why you went to law school / why you want to work in big law? New associates aren't profitable to firms and I think they are rightly concerned about choosing people who might quit after a year or two. Also, from talking with big law associates, it seems like the interview process boils down to whether your interviewer thinks (1) that he wouldn't mind working with you on a project until 3am and (2) that you come across as mature and responsible, so he wouldn't be worried about your professionalism / presentability with clients.

The second is more applicable to partners, but probably also senior associates whose ass is on the line when they pass your work along to a partner. I would do some thinking to see if there is anything you could improve on along those two lines. Also, ask other people---go over your answers to the usual questions and see what they think. It's hard to have enough self-awareness to judge these things accurately yourself. Just saying these things to try to help; I know it sucks right now but you have two CBs and have a chance to turn those into two offers. Keep positive

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I definitely did not overestimate my interviewing skills- I did much better than I expected. I believe I did all that you listed, and I don't think I bid too high (I'm not surprised by the V10 rejections I got, but disappointed by some others). I don't think it's all grades, but it sounds like people with excellent grades and amazing resumes are a cinch for CBs, and people who are the best interviewers get a lot of CBs as well. Then there a lot of people like me who probably aren't the absolute best on either front, but overall present a very good, well-rounded candidacy that should be equal to or greater than the person who is mostly strong on one front.


I don't mean to be harsh but statements like the bolded make me think that you're overestimating your performance. I'm guessing you're low Stone? If you bid correctly with those grades, there are not enough people who are fabulous interviewees who would make someone like you get only 2 CBs. There has to be an issue with something you're doing that has led to this problem. Pretending like you can't change up what you're doing is only going to hurt you at these two callbacks.

Again, my friends who are really good interviewees that are non-Stone have done really well. My friends who are low Stone who are just good interviewees have also done better. That means even if you think you did better than you expected, you may still be an average or below-average interviewee, something you can still change now.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:13 pm

Has anyone heard from Simpson (NL), Sullivan (SM/NM) or Shearman (BP)?

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:17 pm

To echo some of the sentiments above, this is obviously a stressful time and it's understandable that some people are upset by the process.

Focus on what went well in the interviews where you got CBs and do your best to turn them into offers. Mass mail a bit if you haven't been doing so already.

I agree with the posters who suggest that you probably have something to work on, but don't want that to be an attack or a dig. I'm not a skilled interviewer and I can empathize with others who struggle in those situations. Just remember that it's something that you obviously can do (you did get two CBs at least) and stay positive.

One thing that I've learned: I'm really bad at faking it. I don't think I received a single callback where I wasn't genuinely enthusiastic about what I was talking about. Maybe you have something similar.

Anyway, best of luck to all in the coming weeks. Hopefully everyone will make it through the EIP process with a SA offer they love.

-Ted "Theodore" Logan

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone heard from Simpson (NL), Sullivan (SM/NM) or Shearman (BP)?


S&C (SM/NM) calls went out last Thursday.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby pineappledazzler » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:57 pm

I think Simpson has been really slow

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:11 pm

pineappledazzler wrote:I think Simpson has been really slow


Can confirm that several CLS students have STB offers, so it must be very interviewer dependent at Simpson

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:55 pm

Some people asked this already, but didn't see any answers- anything from Cahill (EK)?

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:09 pm

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pineappledazzler wrote:I think Simpson has been really slow


Can confirm that several CLS students have STB offers, so it must be very interviewer dependent at Simpson


I knew that a lot of CBs went out from a few STB interviewers but no one who had mine or another of them have had ANY news so I think that's right. They did interview like half our class, so there's probably room for variance in there.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:17 pm

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pineappledazzler wrote:I think Simpson has been really slow


Can confirm that several CLS students have STB offers, so it must be very interviewer dependent at Simpson


I knew that a lot of CBs went out from a few STB interviewers but no one who had mine or another of them have had ANY news so I think that's right. They did interview like half our class, so there's probably room for variance in there.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:18 pm

JM (the one who was sick). I wasn't expecting a CB (I'm very low Stone) but haven't been dinged either.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:49 pm

Does anyone know the turnaround time for CBs --> offer from the non-V10s (Sidley, Schulte, Hughes Hubbard, K&L, etc)?

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:55 pm

snail mail dings from Orrick and Latham. Re above, got a Hughes Hubb DC callback same day or day after.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:52 pm

Just to add to the interview / grade debate... I didn't put much thought into bidding and ended up with 15 interviews. I didn't go to hospitality suites or try to get more interviews. My grades are below median. Received 5 cbs. Dinged from v10s, but cbs from v20s/50s. Didn't bid outside v50. Non-urm.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just to add to the interview / grade debate... I didn't put much thought into bidding and ended up with 15 interviews. I didn't go to hospitality suites or try to get more interviews. My grades are below median. Received 5 cbs. Dinged from v10s, but cbs from v20s/50s. Didn't bid outside v50. Non-urm.

Have you heard from all of them?

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:54 am

Proskauer NY ding via email

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:39 am

Any news of offers from Schulte yet? I'm pretty sure they did all their Columbia callbacks last week.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:22 pm

Milbank ding via email (J)

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:14 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any news of offers from Schulte yet? I'm pretty sure they did all their Columbia callbacks last week.


Still waiting to hear from a Wed morning CB.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:17 pm

Gibson NY Ding via snail mail (JO and AF)

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:03 pm

Simpson Thacher email ding.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Simpson Thacher email ding.

Same.

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:56 pm

Anyone hear back from S&C (MS and VI)?

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:07 pm

Anyone know what the PW cb to offer timeline was for those who got offers? In previous years, the committee met on a certain day... Jw if that might still be the case

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Re: Columbia Law School EIP 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know what the PW cb to offer timeline was for those who got offers? In previous years, the committee met on a certain day... Jw if that might still be the case


CB wednesday, offer today




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