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Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:06 pm
by Anonymous User
PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.

Anyone think it's safe to add more DC or CA? Or should I pretty much keep it as/is?

- d.e.m.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:15 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.

- d.e.m.



This made me laugh. :mrgreen:


What is the best way to order the firms on our lists? I've been told to order them by personal preference but I've been looking at the bid stats on the OCS's website and I'm thinking that I should use that in combination with my preferences...any other suggestions?

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:04 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.

Anyone think it's safe to add more DC or CA? Or should I pretty much keep it as/is?

- d.e.m.

Wait I thought you wanted NY? Why would you add more DC/CA if you want NY?

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:34 pm
by Anonymous User
To clarify: I said I'm exclusively interested in transactional work. I'm targeting NY for that purpose. However, I've been reading about some firms in DC/CA that also have interesting transactional practices (reg in DC, tech in CA). So I'm just curious mostly. I'd be perfectly content to keep my bidlist as/is, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to solicit some opinions.

If that's frowned upon or highly unusual, I apologize. Assume I know nothing about this process.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:49 pm
by itbdvorm
Anonymous User wrote:PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.
Anyone think it's safe to add more DC or CA? Or should I pretty much keep it as/is?

- d.e.m.


fwiw, i find this line of thinking pretty questionable - i think i'd rather work at Latham than about 2/3 of the firms you listed. but what do i know, i'm just an actual lawyer with significant real-world experience

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:39 pm
by Blessedassurance
Anonymous User wrote: I think this looks good (someone correct me if I am wrong). Add Weil Boston to your list as well.


Too soon?

user was outed

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:49 pm
by AllTheLawz
Wonk wrote:I had heard that Latham added some lit folks so it's good to get confirmation, thanks.

I'm interested in white coller/government enforcement type of work, are there firms in Boston that are particularly strong/weak in that area? I'm also trying to come up with the best way to sell my interest in that area, any suggestions?

Thanks, folks.


Ropes has a solid practice but I'm not sure how easy it is for juniors to get in.. other than that I have no idea.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:50 pm
by Anonymous User
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.
Anyone think it's safe to add more DC or CA? Or should I pretty much keep it as/is?

- d.e.m.


fwiw, i find this line of thinking pretty questionable - i think i'd rather work at Latham than about 2/3 of the firms you listed. but what do i know, i'm just an actual lawyer with significant real-world experience
Maybe give some reason why you think this? Or you could just pop in here, offer a really snide unsolicited comment and pop out. Either way.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:25 am
by PMan99
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.
Anyone think it's safe to add more DC or CA? Or should I pretty much keep it as/is?

- d.e.m.


fwiw, i find this line of thinking pretty questionable - i think i'd rather work at Latham than about 2/3 of the firms you listed. but what do i know, i'm just an actual lawyer with significant real-world experience


Given that you troll for latham like tapeimort does for chicago, this is not surprising.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:29 pm
by Anonymous User
Ok let's get back on track...

Does anyone know what the approximate CB/Offer ratio is for Quinn's main offices (LA/NY)? I've heard the rate is very high back when they came to EIP but has that changed?

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:09 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Ok let's get back on track...

Does anyone know what the approximate CB/Offer ratio is for Quinn's main offices (LA/NY)? I've heard the rate is very high back when they came to EIP but has that changed?

I applied last week. Do you know when they send out callbacks?

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:49 pm
by Lubberlubber
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Ok let's get back on track...

Does anyone know what the approximate CB/Offer ratio is for Quinn's main offices (LA/NY)? I've heard the rate is very high back when they came to EIP but has that changed?

I applied last week. Do you know when they send out callbacks?


They've already been going out.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:52 pm
by Anonymous User
Lubberlubber wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Ok let's get back on track...

Does anyone know what the approximate CB/Offer ratio is for Quinn's main offices (LA/NY)? I've heard the rate is very high back when they came to EIP but has that changed?

I applied last week. Do you know when they send out callbacks?


They've already been going out.

Whats the turnaround time on an application - callback ratio? Do you know which offices?

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:52 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Lubberlubber wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Ok let's get back on track...

Does anyone know what the approximate CB/Offer ratio is for Quinn's main offices (LA/NY)? I've heard the rate is very high back when they came to EIP but has that changed?

I applied last week. Do you know when they send out callbacks?


They've already been going out.

Whats the turnaround time on an application - callback ratio? Do you know which offices?


Read the thread. Some people heard back in 1 day. LA/NY offices.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:57 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Whats the turnaround time on an application - callback ratio? Do you know which offices?


Read the thread. Some people heard back in 1 day. LA/NY offices.

I read this thread but I didn't see much on it. Which thread are you referring to?

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:03 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Whats the turnaround time on an application - callback ratio? Do you know which offices?


Read the thread. Some people heard back in 1 day. LA/NY offices.

I read this thread but I didn't see much on it. Which thread are you referring to?

This thread. Like the last page?

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:50 pm
by Blessedassurance
lol

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:14 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Whats the turnaround time on an application - callback ratio? Do you know which offices?


Read the thread. Some people heard back in 1 day. LA/NY offices.

I read this thread but I didn't see much on it. Which thread are you referring to?

This thread. Like the last page?


Man, this is why I hate TLS and hate HLS students on TLS. Everybody can be such an uber-douche hidden behind their computer.

There was a single person that posted that they heard back in one day, and that was only for the LA office. There is no need to be uber-douche here when you can just go to hi-rise and be uber-douche there. Although they don't have wi-fi there, so now I understand why you are uber-douche here.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:07 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Read the thread. Some people heard back in 1 day. LA/NY offices.

I read this thread but I didn't see much on it. Which thread are you referring to?

This thread. Like the last page?


Man, this is why I hate TLS and hate HLS students on TLS. Everybody can be such an uber-douche hidden behind their computer.

There was a single person that posted that they heard back in one day, and that was only for the LA office. There is no need to be uber-douche here when you can just go to hi-rise and be uber-douche there. Although they don't have wi-fi there, so now I understand why you are uber-douche here.

? I was trying to be helpful and answer a question. I used a question mark because I wasn't sure if it was the last page or the page before that. I also wasn't the person who responded the first time. Calm down.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:06 am
by Anonymous User
back to regular programming...

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:43 pm
by Anonymous User
Has anyone made an appointment with one of the DC market recruiters and found their meeting helpful? Trying to decide if it's worth the time.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:31 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone made an appointment with one of the DC market recruiters and found their meeting helpful? Trying to decide if it's worth the time.


met with two, both totally worth it! highly recommend

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:00 pm
by itbdvorm
Anonymous User wrote:
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.
Anyone think it's safe to add more DC or CA? Or should I pretty much keep it as/is?

- d.e.m.


fwiw, i find this line of thinking pretty questionable - i think i'd rather work at Latham than about 2/3 of the firms you listed. but what do i know, i'm just an actual lawyer with significant real-world experience
Maybe give some reason why you think this? Or you could just pop in here, offer a really snide unsolicited comment and pop out. Either way.


Sorry, I suppose that's fair. Frankly I had just had drinks with a friend at Latham who was annoyed that this rep was still out there and so focused on them, given all the other firms who have done this and the efforts they generally (and he personally) had done to get people jobs, hire people back, place people w/clients, etc. I guess I got annoyed on his behalf and turned my snark level up. In any event, I don't think I "troll" for them (to whomever that guy who said that) but I do have a number of friends there and I think they're a very solid firm doing really good work. I guess I get why someone would rank a place like Cravath above them but surprised to see places like Schulte, Sidley, Orrick, Jones Day, Paul Hastings, Venable, White & Case, Fried Frank, Cadwalader, Willkie, Greenberg, Shearman, Milbank, Holland & Knight on this last (none of which is nearly the same quality firm and all of which I believe took fairly comparable actions over the past few years). Really think people are placing far too much emphasis on something that, while obviously should be taken into account, really shouldn't be the dominant factor given all the other pieces of information. I 100% believe that they're a better place to start your career than all but a handful of places.

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:20 pm
by Anonymous User
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:PMan: Thanks for the input! I guess with the Weil news I've been trying to be a little bit more cautious, so it's good to hear that V5 may be a realistic option. It's really hard to gauge exactly what constitutes good grades from scouring TLS alone.

L. Lubber: I sent you a PM, but it's stuck in my outbox. Hopefully you'll receive it shortly.

Anon: Even though Latham hasn't Latham'd anyone in aweil, I still don't feel comfortable bidding them (so I replaced them on my list with some other targets/safeties). Not sure if that's rational. I might put them back.
Anyone think it's safe to add more DC or CA? Or should I pretty much keep it as/is?

- d.e.m.


fwiw, i find this line of thinking pretty questionable - i think i'd rather work at Latham than about 2/3 of the firms you listed. but what do i know, i'm just an actual lawyer with significant real-world experience
Maybe give some reason why you think this? Or you could just pop in here, offer a really snide unsolicited comment and pop out. Either way.


Sorry, I suppose that's fair. Frankly I had just had drinks with a friend at Latham who was annoyed that this rep was still out there and so focused on them, given all the other firms who have done this and the efforts they generally (and he personally) had done to get people jobs, hire people back, place people w/clients, etc. I guess I got annoyed on his behalf and turned my snark level up. In any event, I don't think I "troll" for them (to whomever that guy who said that) but I do have a number of friends there and I think they're a very solid firm doing really good work. I guess I get why someone would rank a place like Cravath above them but surprised to see places like Schulte, Sidley, Orrick, Jones Day, Paul Hastings, Venable, White & Case, Fried Frank, Cadwalader, Willkie, Greenberg, Shearman, Milbank, Holland & Knight on this last (none of which is nearly the same quality firm and all of which I believe took fairly comparable actions over the past few years). Really think people are placing far too much emphasis on something that, while obviously should be taken into account, really shouldn't be the dominant factor given all the other pieces of information. I 100% believe that they're a better place to start your career than all but a handful of places.

Thanks.

--N. Urfe (Last anon quoted here)

Re: HLS EIP 2013

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:03 am
by Anonymous User
itbdvorm wrote:
Sorry, I suppose that's fair. Frankly I had just had drinks with a friend at Latham who was annoyed that this rep was still out there and so focused on them, given all the other firms who have done this and the efforts they generally (and he personally) had done to get people jobs, hire people back, place people w/clients, etc. I guess I got annoyed on his behalf and turned my snark level up. In any event, I don't think I "troll" for them (to whomever that guy who said that) but I do have a number of friends there and I think they're a very solid firm doing really good work. I guess I get why someone would rank a place like Cravath above them but surprised to see places like Schulte, Sidley, Orrick, Jones Day, Paul Hastings, Venable, White & Case, Fried Frank, Cadwalader, Willkie, Greenberg, Shearman, Milbank, Holland & Knight on this last (none of which is nearly the same quality firm and all of which I believe took fairly comparable actions over the past few years). Really think people are placing far too much emphasis on something that, while obviously should be taken into account, really shouldn't be the dominant factor given all the other pieces of information. I 100% believe that they're a better place to start your career than all but a handful of places.


Eh I think your last sentence is true if the economy doesn't take a sudden turn for the worse again... Basically we use the word "Lathaming" now because Latham both leveraged up more quickly and then de-leveraged down more intensely then other biglaw firms during the past few legal business cycles (as in more then just a one-time incident).

The partner/ or leadership/ etc there has shown that they will not hesitate to layoff young associates in mass if necessary and they've been correct in that it hasn't damaged their hiring too much given the overall downturn in biglaw hiring. Still, if you have the choice, I personally feel like picking other firms which show just a little more reservation against repeated, large layoffs is worth any other differences given how detrimental it is to be fired in your first year as an associate.