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Firm GPA Cutoffs

Postby JurorNumber8 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:43 am

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Re: Firm GPA Cutoffs

Postby rad lulz » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:19 am

JurorNumber8 wrote:Long time lurker. May have posted this the other day (not too sure). Anyway, I wish that I had more data when I was applying to firms in order to understand which firms are more or less selective at various schools. I am at uChicago. OCS provided to us this callback data from the last three full years of post-recession OCI (2011, 2010, 2009). It is not complete, and only represents like 35% of big firms. If anyone has similar data from their schools, they should post it as well. I had to estimate our curve, but this should reflect where individuals may still have a shot at a good school. Hope this helps.

At median-a little below median (177.5-176.5)
Allen & Overy (NY)
Arnold & Porter LLP (DC)
Baker & Hostetler (Firmwide)
Baker Botts (Houston)
Cleary (NY)
Covington & Burling (DC)
Davis Polk & Wardwell (NY)
Debevoise & Plimpton (NY)
Foley Hoag L.L.P. (Boston)
Fried Frank (DC)
Gibson Dunn & Crutcher (LA, Palo Alto and DC)
Goodwin Procter (Boston, DC, SF)
Grippo & Elden (Chicago)
Haynes & Boone (Firmwide)
Hogan Lovells (NY)
Holland & Knight (Chicago)
Jenner & Block (DC)
Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel (NY)
Latham & Watkins (Chicago, DC offices)
Morgan Lewis & Bockius (Chicago)
Paul Hastings (LA , DC)
Proskauer Rose (NY)
Reinhart Boerner Van Deuren (Milwaukee)
Ropes & Gray LLP (New York)
Sidley Austin (Chicago, LA, DC)
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett (CA offices, NY)
Skadden (DC)
Weil Gotshal & Manges (DC)
White & Case LLP (DC)
WilmerHale (Boston)

Bottom 35% (176- 176.5)
Dechert LLP (Boston)
Jones Day (Chicago)
Katten Muchin Rosenman (Chicago)
Latham & Watkins (CA offices)
Mayer Brown (Chicago)
Miller Shakman & Beem (Chicago)
MoFo (Palo Alto)
Paul Hastings (LA)
Perkins Coie (Seattle)
Ropes & Gray LLP (Chicago, DC)
Sidley Austin (New York)
Skadden (Chicago)
Sullivan & Cromwell (NY)
Vinson & Elkins (Texas)
Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati (CA offices)

Bottom 25% (175-175.9)
Baker & McKenzie (Chicago)
Baker Botts (Dallas)
Cooley (CA offices)
Curtis Mallet-Prevost Colt & Mosle (NY)
Dechert LLP (NY)
Edwards Wildman Palmer LLP (Firmwide)
Fenwick & West L.L.P. (Silicon Valley)
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer (NY)
Fulbright & Jaworski (Firmwide)
Goldberg Kohn (Chicago)
Goodwin Procter (SV)
Greenberg Traurig (Chicago and Miami)
Hughes Hubbard & Reed (NY)
Jenner & Block (Chicago)
Kirkland & Ellis (Chicago)
Morrison & Foerster (LA, SF)
Neal Gerber & Eisenberg (Chicago)
Orrick (NY)
Pattishall McAuliffe Newbury Hilliard & Geraldson (Chicago)
Pillsbury (SF)
Reed Smith (Chicago)
Ropes & Gray LLP (Boston)
SNR Denton (Chicago)
Thompson & Knight (Houston)
JAG (All U.S.)
WilmerHale (Palo Alto)

Bottom 15% (174-174.9)
Bryan Cave (Chicago)
Cadwalader (New York)
Drinker Biddle & Reath (Chicago)
Dykema Gossett (Chicago)
Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson (NY)
K&L Gates (firmwide)
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear L.L.P. (Firmwide Soft IP)
MoFo (NY)
Paul Weiss (NY)
Pillsbury (DC)
Schiff Hardin (Chicago)
Thompson & Knight (Dallas)
Whyte Hirschboeck Dudek (All offices)
Wildman Harrold Allen & Dixon (Chicago)
Winston & Strawn (Chicago)


Bottom 5% (Below 174)

Foley & Lardner LLP (Chicago)
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear L.L.P. (Firmwide Hard IP)
McGuireWoods (Chicago)
Pircher Nichols & Meeks (Chicago)
Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hampton (DC)

Also, Cravath and Williams Connolly each took someone barely above median (178). A few of the firms took individuals with GPAs which were so low, that they had to be at the very lowest in the class (e.g., straight C minuses). It doesn't appear that many of these entries are the same person.

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Re: Firm GPA Cutoffs

Postby RodneyRuxin » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:15 am

1) Read the last bullet on the second page telling you not to share it.
2) These aren't cutoffs. This is the lowest callback ever accepted in the last three years. If you're a K-JD non-diverse applicant, most of these "cutoffs" don't apply to you.

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Re: Firm GPA Cutoffs

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:15 am

This stuff hides a lot of the granularity, like how firms go much lower for IP people. Aside from telling people around median to bid Chicago it's not that helpful.

EDIT: That ranking stuff is not wholly useful either. There's a reason they won't tell us the distribution of grades in a given class.

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Re: Firm GPA Cutoffs

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:14 am

Anonymous User wrote:This stuff hides a lot of the granularity, like how firms go much lower for IP people. Aside from telling people around median to bid Chicago it's not that helpful.

EDIT: That ranking stuff is not wholly useful either. There's a reason they won't tell us the distribution of grades in a given class.


And even besides stuff like IP, diversity, etc. it doesn't really work like this. A lot of firms don't have what your call a cut off.

And for firms with only several CBS each year, their are not enough data points. If a firm called back six people over 3 years, they might not have picked one near their lower limit.

The north western data had cravath and Latham calling back people with sub 3.0 gpa. That's bottom ten percent.

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Re: Firm GPA Cutoffs

Postby Arbiter213 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:52 am

RodneyRuxin wrote:1) Read the last bullet on the second page telling you not to share it.
2) These aren't cutoffs. This is the lowest callback ever accepted in the last three years. If you're a K-JD non-diverse applicant, most of these "cutoffs" don't apply to you.


While I agree, I'll say I was the low GPA for a V5 and I'm a K-JD non-diverse applicant.

Sometimes, interviewing absolutely out of your mind, along with a reference from a current summer, can get you in.

But that low was only slightly below, not hugely divergent, like many of them were.




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