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Things to know pre-SA

Postby ExtremeBaconnator » Thu May 02, 2013 4:30 pm

Heading to a SA in NYC in a couple of weeks. Any tips/advice you wish you knew before going to yours? Anything from stuff that would be helpful to know pre-job start to essentials/clothes to pack for the 10-12 weeks etc. would be much appreciated, I've never been in the city for more than a handful of days. Thanks!

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Anonymous User » Thu May 02, 2013 4:38 pm

Read up a bit on the practice areas that you will likely be working on during the summer. You will always get training and you could always ask associates when you are working on assignments. But if you already have some background knowledge, it makes everything so much easier.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby ExtremeBaconnator » Thu May 02, 2013 4:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Read up a bit on the practice areas that you will likely be working on during the summer. You will always get training and you could always ask associates when you are working on assignments. But if you already have some background knowledge, it makes everything so much easier.


Probably transactional mostly. Look up the area generally or transactional cases the firm has done in the past?

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Anonymous User » Thu May 02, 2013 4:49 pm

ExtremeBaconnator wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Read up a bit on the practice areas that you will likely be working on during the summer. You will always get training and you could always ask associates when you are working on assignments. But if you already have some background knowledge, it makes everything so much easier.


Probably transactional mostly. Look up the area generally or transactional cases the firm has done in the past?


I knew beforehand that I would be focusing on capital markets. So what I did was reviewing my securities regulations class outline, reading the practice guides/client notes/legal updates in this area on my firm's website and picking up a couple prospectuses for IPOs my firm did in the past few years. It really helped. Training sessions at the firm became more like review sessions for me. When I was doing assignments, I was more prepared and had fewer stupid questions to bother associates with.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby dood » Thu May 02, 2013 4:53 pm

bring gym clothes. boom. ur set dogg.
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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby dood » Thu May 02, 2013 4:54 pm

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby IAFG » Thu May 02, 2013 4:57 pm

Do you know anyone from your school who SA'd at the same firm last year?

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby chem » Thu May 02, 2013 5:05 pm

dood wrote:j


Dood, that sale you had. Is it a good one?

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Anonymous User » Thu May 02, 2013 5:06 pm

dood wrote:j


I saw what you wrote. I got that summer offer after sending 300 job applications because I had shit grades. I couldn't take any chance of being no-offered. Sorry it offends you that I tried my best to maximize the chance of success as a SA.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Old Gregg » Thu May 02, 2013 7:56 pm

1) people will have very low expectations of you
2) fulfill those expectations
3) don't be socially stupid

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Stinson » Thu May 02, 2013 8:17 pm

Ask questions. It beats getting it wrong.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby MarkRenton » Thu May 02, 2013 10:42 pm

Honestly, show reasonable enthusiasm for your assignments. Lawyers will give you a bunch of shit work to do, but they kind of enjoy it when you come back with "this is actually a pretty interesting question, let me tell ya what I came up with." Or after the assigning attorney explains what sort of mundane shit you'll be dedicating your next few days to, "Oh, that sounds like an interesting question. I have a few ideas... I'm looking forward to getting right on this." In my reviews, showing a positive attitude came up over and over, and it seemed to be really appreciated.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Anonymous User » Thu May 02, 2013 10:44 pm

Does everyone know what practice groups they've been assigned? My 1st half firm still hasn't said anything (none of the summers in the office know).

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby dood » Thu May 16, 2013 9:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
dood wrote:j


I saw what you wrote. I got that summer offer after sending 300 job applications because I had shit grades. I couldn't take any chance of being no-offered. Sorry it offends you that I tried my best to maximize the chance of success as a SA.


I erased my post b/c I thought it was too harsh and didn't want to offend you. Sorry, I'm sure you'll be fine, best of luck. If you need anything, feel free to PM me. My apologies again.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby NYstate » Thu May 16, 2013 9:34 pm

ExtremeBaconnator wrote:Heading to a SA in NYC in a couple of weeks. Any tips/advice you wish you knew before going to yours? Anything from stuff that would be helpful to know pre-job start to essentials/clothes to pack for the 10-12 weeks etc. would be much appreciated, I've never been in the city for more than a handful of days. Thanks!


Do you have more specific questions?

There are threads about doing well as an SA .

Are you living near your office? What stuff do you like to do? What hobbies do you have?

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby TTRansfer » Fri May 17, 2013 12:23 am

ajax adonis wrote:Proof read everything you write and just don't make stupid mistakes. There's no such thing as a rough draft.


This x 1000.

I wrote up one REALLY fucking shitty answer to a complaint my 1L SA. The associate I wrote it up for brought me in and was pretty pissed. Granted, he ended up liking my work after that and I made it up to him by doing a fuck ton of work for him over the summer. But you will almost never get 2nd chances. I was lucky enough to get one.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Peyton » Fri May 17, 2013 1:13 am

How is what we do different from what paralegals do? Research and memo.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri May 17, 2013 1:16 am

Peyton wrote:How is what we do different from what paralegals do? Research and memo.

The paralegals were WAY more valuable than I was as an SA.

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Peyton » Fri May 17, 2013 1:24 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Peyton wrote:How is what we do different from what paralegals do? Research and memo.

The paralegals were WAY more valuable than I was as an SA.

After nearly one week I can say with great confidence, it is only because we’re not nearly one-tenth as knowledgeable. Maybe that slightly changes after 8/9 weeks, or maybe not.

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Postby Myself » Fri May 17, 2013 1:27 am

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby Peyton » Fri May 17, 2013 1:35 am

ajax adonis wrote:
Peyton wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Peyton wrote:How is what we do different from what paralegals do? Research and memo.

The paralegals were WAY more valuable than I was as an SA.

After nearly one week I can say with great confidence, it is only because we’re not nearly one-tenth as knowledgeable. Maybe that slightly changes after 8/9 weeks, or maybe not.


Pride goes before destruction my man; keep a humble attitude and be open to learning from others. Plus, it'll show that you're a cocky SA know-it-all if you keep copping that mentality.

Are you drugged out? Maybe too much Molly in your system?

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby 09042014 » Fri May 17, 2013 3:21 am

Don't complain about anything, ever to anyone.

Don't get drunk at the firm.

Don't worry about westlaw/lexis billing. Whoever started the meme that firms will be mad as fuck about you overusing Westlaw/Lexis has GOT to be trolling.

Meet your deadlines.

Don't be afraid to ask questions.

Go to social events.

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Postby Myself » Fri May 17, 2013 11:44 am

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Re: Things to know pre-SA

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri May 17, 2013 12:01 pm

ajax adonis wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Don't worry about westlaw/lexis billing. Whoever started the meme that firms will be mad as fuck about you overusing Westlaw/Lexis has GOT to be trolling.


Don't law firms have flat rates or super-reduced rates?

Yeah, I've never worked anywhere that cared about how many searches I ran.




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