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Re: Just Learned SA Firm Only Offers 2/3 Summers

Postby JamMasterJ » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:01 pm

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Re: Just Learned SA Firm Only Offers 2/3 Summers

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:54 pm

5ky wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How did you know your firm took on too many SAs? I'm going to a firm that has had at or near 100% hiring the past few years, but I noticed they hired a few more than they wrote that they expected on their NALP form. Should I be worried?


If major market especially, yeah, no real need to be worried. Is your firm NYC? I know a few that took on more than projected/past years.

It's a major market, but it isn't a huge office. NALP form said mid-single digits and it looks like there are going to be high-single digits.

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Re: Just Learned SA Firm Only Offers 2/3 Summers

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How did you know your firm took on too many SAs? I'm going to a firm that has had at or near 100% hiring the past few years, but I noticed they hired a few more than they wrote that they expected on their NALP form. Should I be worried?


I wouldnt be worried if I were you. I knew going in my firm was likely lying about everyone receiving offers because their historical offer rates in this office is around 66%. Plus, they took on a couple more SAs than the year before. Ultimately though, I was at lunch with a partner on the hiring committee and he asked how many 2L SAs there were this summer and I said X, and he basically spit out his food. Then I brought up how we were told early on everyone would get offers if they did good work. His basic response, "LOLNO!" Pretty crappy lunch....

The people in the class that got no offered did the most projects, got there early and stayed late, had fantastic grades, and were really smart people. What it came down to was that not enough partners knew who they were once decision time came around, and they didnt have the crazy connections to the firm/market like some other SAs had.

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Re: Just Learned SA Firm Only Offers 2/3 Summers

Postby Anonymous User » Wed May 01, 2013 12:50 pm

rad lulz wrote:Especially considering economic factors ie boutiques tend to not have the ability to forecast business as well and even if they can, they don't have the money to hire one just to preserve high offer rates


If my 2L SA is at a boutique firm in a major market (NY/Chicago/DC) and they historically had classes around 10 people and had a 90-100% offer rate, should I be worried that they increased their class size to almost 20 this year? There must be good business for them to increase twofold, but is the inability for boutiques to accurately forecast business that huge a risk for me? The firm is larger than most similar boutiques but still <150 attorneys. From what I know the firm is not making a move to grow rapidly..

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Re: Just Learned SA Firm Only Offers 2/3 Summers

Postby rad lulz » Wed May 01, 2013 12:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Especially considering economic factors ie boutiques tend to not have the ability to forecast business as well and even if they can, they don't have the money to hire one just to preserve high offer rates


If my 2L SA is at a boutique firm in a major market (NY/Chicago/DC) and they historically had classes around 10 people and had a 90-100% offer rate, should I be worried that they increased their class size to almost 20 this year? There must be good business for them to increase twofold, but is the inability for boutiques to accurately forecast business that huge a risk for me? The firm is larger than most similar boutiques but still <150 attorneys. From what I know the firm is not making a move to grow rapidly..

No one will be able to tell you without knowing the firm and probably some insider info on it

Maybe they landed a siiiick new client with a LOT of work

Maybe they had a couple more people accept SA offers than they thought would

See if they are publishing news about hiring laterals

If they've been picking up a lot of laterals I'm guessing business is good

If they just copped 18 SAs but no laterals I'd worry

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Re: Just Learned SA Firm Only Offers 2/3 Summers

Postby 09042014 » Wed May 01, 2013 5:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Especially considering economic factors ie boutiques tend to not have the ability to forecast business as well and even if they can, they don't have the money to hire one just to preserve high offer rates


If my 2L SA is at a boutique firm in a major market (NY/Chicago/DC) and they historically had classes around 10 people and had a 90-100% offer rate, should I be worried that they increased their class size to almost 20 this year? There must be good business for them to increase twofold, but is the inability for boutiques to accurately forecast business that huge a risk for me? The firm is larger than most similar boutiques but still <150 attorneys. From what I know the firm is not making a move to grow rapidly..


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