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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby bananapeanutbutter » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:07 am

rad lulz wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:Well, it's not 4 callbacks is a lot. That's multiple offers normally, no? Aren't the call backs you're in if you don't mess up?

Depends on the firm, but generally no.

SullCrom offers like everyone they CB

DPW like 3 CBs/1 offer

2ndary market firms may call back like 15-20 people for 2 jobs

on this note do you know why the # of sullivan and cromwells who got offered f/t jobs were only like 50-some odd % of SA's? it was shockingly low for a top firm, and made me think even if one were lucky enough to get s&c, it may make sense to pass if they get a lower firm.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby thesealocust » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:15 am

bananapeanutbutter wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:Well, it's not 4 callbacks is a lot. That's multiple offers normally, no? Aren't the call backs you're in if you don't mess up?

Depends on the firm, but generally no.

SullCrom offers like everyone they CB

DPW like 3 CBs/1 offer

2ndary market firms may call back like 15-20 people for 2 jobs

on this note do you know why the # of sullivan and cromwells who got offered f/t jobs were only like 50-some odd % of SA's? it was shockingly low for a top firm, and made me think even if one were lucky enough to get s&c, it may make sense to pass if they get a lower firm.


S&C makes offers to 100%, or damn near 100%, of its summer class every year. You're thinking of the wrong firm.

Also, I award you 3 bonus points for "sullivan and cromwells" and an extra 1 bonus point for "makes sense to pass if they get a lower firm." You may redeem your bonus points for cash and prizes where not prohibited by local law.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby bananapeanutbutter » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:18 am

thesealocust wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:Well, it's not 4 callbacks is a lot. That's multiple offers normally, no? Aren't the call backs you're in if you don't mess up?

Depends on the firm, but generally no.

SullCrom offers like everyone they CB

DPW like 3 CBs/1 offer

2ndary market firms may call back like 15-20 people for 2 jobs

on this note do you know why the # of sullivan and cromwells who got offered f/t jobs were only like 50-some odd % of SA's? it was shockingly low for a top firm, and made me think even if one were lucky enough to get s&c, it may make sense to pass if they get a lower firm.


S&C makes offers to 100%, or damn near 100%, of its summer class every year. You're thinking of the wrong firm.

Also, I award you 3 bonus points for "sullivan and cromwells" and an extra 1 bonus point for "makes sense to pass if they get a lower firm." You may redeem your bonus points for cash and prizes where not prohibited by local law.

It's an honor to win, but I got to be honest with you. I didn't even know I was playing. Shout out to South Beach. Stay in school, Takisha!

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Lasers » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:24 am

bananapeanutbutter wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:on this note do you know why the # of sullivan and cromwells who got offered f/t jobs were only like 50-some odd % of SA's? it was shockingly low for a top firm, and made me think even if one were lucky enough to get s&c, it may make sense to pass if they get a lower firm.


S&C makes offers to 100%, or damn near 100%, of its summer class every year. You're thinking of the wrong firm.

Also, I award you 3 bonus points for "sullivan and cromwells" and an extra 1 bonus point for "makes sense to pass if they get a lower firm." You may redeem your bonus points for cash and prizes where not prohibited by local law.

It's an honor to win, but I got to be honest with you. I didn't even know I was playing. Shout out to South Beach. Stay in school, Takisha!

no one knows they're playing until they win.

it's that kind of game.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:30 am

rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Not to be a dick, but weren't you all over Vale of Tears? "Firm interviews are easy"?

Had plenty of 2L OCI offers but got no-offered braj


what did you do?

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby rad lulz » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:42 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Not to be a dick, but weren't you all over Vale of Tears? "Firm interviews are easy"?

Had plenty of 2L OCI offers but got no-offered braj


what did you do?

Got another job?

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Lasers » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:48 am

rad lulz wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Not to be a dick, but weren't you all over Vale of Tears? "Firm interviews are easy"?

Had plenty of 2L OCI offers but got no-offered braj


what did you do?

Got another job?

i think he meant to to get no-offered.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:52 am

rad lulz wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Not to be a dick, but weren't you all over Vale of Tears? "Firm interviews are easy"?

Had plenty of 2L OCI offers but got no-offered braj


what did you do?

Got another job?


why did you get no-offered?

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby rad lulz » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:54 am

Blessedassurance wrote:why did you get no-offered? circumstances outside your control?

If you've read the whole Vale thread and the whole "No offered SA - FML" thread it's in there somewhere as an anon poast

I'm not gonna rehash it here

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:56 am

rad lulz wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:why did you get no-offered? circumstances outside your control?

If you've read the whole Vale thread and the whole "No offered SA - FML" thread it's in there somewhere as an anon poast

I'm not gonna rehash it here


give 5-page range. it's 36 pages. I'm merely wondering if it was due to external factors or something within your control (work product etc)

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Bikeflip » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:08 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:why did you get no-offered? circumstances outside your control?

If you've read the whole Vale thread and the whole "No offered SA - FML" thread it's in there somewhere as an anon poast

I'm not gonna rehash it here


give 5-page range. it's 36 pages. I'm merely wondering if it was due to external factors or something within your control (work product etc)



... :| Just stop.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby AllTheLawz » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:09 am

rad lulz wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:why did you get no-offered? circumstances outside your control?

If you've read the whole Vale thread and the whole "No offered SA - FML" thread it's in there somewhere as an anon poast

I'm not gonna rehash it here


If I remember correctly.. this wasn't at a true biglaw firm, right?

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Lasers » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:12 am

Bikeflip wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:why did you get no-offered? circumstances outside your control?

If you've read the whole Vale thread and the whole "No offered SA - FML" thread it's in there somewhere as an anon poast

I'm not gonna rehash it here


give 5-page range. it's 36 pages. I'm merely wondering if it was due to external factors or something within your control (work product etc)



... :| Just stop.

srsly, bro, just stop. pm at least...

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:13 am

what's your problem, man...can you let him answer the question? why can't you let him tell me if it's inappropriate? do you have a burning desire to interject? is that it?

i'm not gonna pm him, that's gonna out him...i'd rather get a range of pages so i don't know who he is.

eta: in fact never mind, sorry i asked.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:17 am

If you're really worried about what makes people get no-offered, go look at the whole thread, since rad is hardly the only person it's happened to.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby rad lulz » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:18 am

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:20 am

rad lulz wrote:It seems like the only reason you d00dz keep asking is to satisfy your own curiosity by linking my poast/work history with my username. Then, if it's work product, you'll ask me a bunch of follow-up questions about "what projects u fuck up," which I won't respond to. If it's economics, you'll beg me to "out the TTT," which I won't do either. So no, I'm not gonna narrow it down for you.

If you just want a story, my story and a bunch of other ones are in those threads.

Knock yourselves out bros


fair point. but i actually don't wanna link anything, or know who you are. i don't do that. i was just trying to find out possible ways to get no-offered. frankly, i've never understood people's obsession with knowing who is who, and all that "outting" crap, but it's whatever.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:27 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:If you're really worried about what makes people get no-offered, go look at the whole thread, since rad is hardly the only person it's happened to.


also fair

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby bananapeanutbutter » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:27 am

It seems obvious why you'd get no offered; same reasons you'd get fired.

Unless it's a firm that isn't planning to make 100% offers.

Idk it seems like if you take it really seriously, engage everyone you meet and put on your shit eating lips, it'd be solid at most large firms. At least from above the law articles.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:33 am

bananapeanutbutter wrote:It seems obvious why you'd get no offered; same reasons you'd get fired.

Unless it's a firm that isn't planning to make 100% offers.

Idk it seems like if you take it really seriously, engage everyone you meet and put on your shit eating lips, it'd be solid at most large firms. At least from above the law articles.



FWIW that's not necessarily true. I got no offered due to a gpa drop after the firm made the SA offer. When the firm asked for transcript updates after the program was over...cold shoulder. Probably should have gone to them about the gpa on my own earlier in the summer but I got some shitty advice from cso to not tell them and "let my work product speak for itself"...yeah that worked out real well.
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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:34 am

bananapeanutbutter wrote:It seems obvious why you'd get no offered; same reasons you'd get fired.

Unless it's a firm that isn't planning to make 100% offers.

Idk it seems like if you take it really seriously, engage everyone you meet and put on your shit eating lips, it'd be solid at most large firms. At least from above the law articles.

Dude, you go on thinking it could never happen to you.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Lasers » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:35 am

bananapeanutbutter wrote:It seems obvious why you'd get no offered; same reasons you'd get fired.

Unless it's a firm that isn't planning to make 100% offers.

Idk it seems like if you take it really seriously, engage everyone you meet and put on your shit eating lips, it'd be solid at most large firms. At least from above the law articles.

that's if the economy doesn't tank.

hell, i think 90% of no-offers are at least tangentially affected by the economy, anyway.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Lasers » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:36 am

Anonymous User wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:It seems obvious why you'd get no offered; same reasons you'd get fired.

Unless it's a firm that isn't planning to make 100% offers.

Idk it seems like if you take it really seriously, engage everyone you meet and put on your shit eating lips, it'd be solid at most large firms. At least from above the law articles.



FWIW that's not necessarily true. I got no offered due to a gpa drop after the firm made the SA offer. When the firm asked for transcript updates after the program was over...cold shoulder. Probably should have gone to them about the gpa on my own earlier in the summer but I got some shitty advice from cso to not tell them and "let my work product speak for itself"...yeah that worked out real well.

fuck...this is legitly scary.

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby rad lulz » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:40 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
bananapeanutbutter wrote:It seems obvious why you'd get no offered; same reasons you'd get fired.

Unless it's a firm that isn't planning to make 100% offers.

Idk it seems like if you take it really seriously, engage everyone you meet and put on your shit eating lips, it'd be solid at most large firms. At least from above the law articles.

Dude, you go on thinking it could never happen to you.

Basically this

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Re: This Summer is Going to Suck

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:43 am

People get no-offered at my firm simply because the hiring partner gets too many SAs who accept offers. What most people don't realize is that firms are guessing at how many people will accept their offers because most firms don't have super high yield rates. For my summer class, everyone on the hiring committee knew that one of us was not going to make it from the beginning of the summer because we had one more person above the absolute limit of how many SAs they had wanted to hire. After that, it comes down to work product quality and purely economic considerations: does the person have credentials that will add value to the firm, does the person want to be in a practice area that is booming or slow, etc. In order to be no-offered for "fit" or personality, you have to be a real mouth-breather. But, then again, judging from some of the aspies on this site, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some people who regularly post on here who got no offered because they are completely fucking annoying and most regular people wouldn't be able to stand talking to them for 10 minutes, let alone working with them for a few years.




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