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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013 Thread: ITT we BS until interviews are sent

Postby 314159265358979 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:30 pm

Jsa725 wrote:
314159265358979 wrote:At the time of bidding, I was top 15% at a T30 (but my grades were lower during interviews). Yes, I am patent bar eligible.

I thought that the PLIP was an awesome experience. You get the opportunity to meet with most employers who are doing the type of work you want to do, and you get to compare them quickly to get a feel for the kinds of firms you will like and dislike. Depending on how many interviews you have, it also becomes very easy to see what works and what doesn't, and you will vastly improve your interviewing skills if nothing else by the end of the program.

The questions they will ask you will not be much different than what you would get at normal OCI. For example, why law school, tell me about X on your resume, what's an interesting fact, any questions for me, etc. Occasionally you may get someone who wants you to answer a substantive question, but that's the exception for sure. I think the most important thing is to remain relaxed but focused and be personable and likeable to the interviewer.

I'm not sure what you mean by "vibes"-did you have questions about specific firms?

thanks! sorry, what i meant by "vibes" was: did you notice things about firm X over firm Y based on the interviewers' personalities (and people at firms where you had CB's) that lead you to choose your V100 over another offer i.e. if you had multiple CB's, what distinguished offices from one another? was firm A "stuffy" and firm B "more relaxed" ... does this make sense?


Yes, absolutely, there were things about some interviews/interviewers that made me like and dislike particular firms. That's a big part of the game actually-once you're in the door with your grades, it's mostly about whether you "fit" with the other associates and partners. My advice to you is just to be yourself and see which firm feels the most natural to you (although, if you wind up with only 1 interview, you should do your absolute best to match what you think their expectations/quirks are!)

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Postby Jsa725 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:33 pm

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Postby 314159265358979 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:39 pm

fishfry111 wrote:Hey V100 Associate:
Thanks a lot for contributing here. Could you provide a bit more detail concerning the following:
1) what market? Is firm IP specialist or GP?i
2) IP Lit or Pros?
3) What PB qualifier (CS, EE, ME, bio, chem, etc.)
3a) WE related to IP or other (clerkship, other, etc.)?
4) How many pre-selects, callbacks, offers?
5) Time before CB's and offers?

Thanks.


1. I bid all markets/specialties. PM for more details.
2. Both
3. CS/EE
3a. See above, summer jobs.
4. Screener/CB/offer ratio is difficult to predict. Many people go 1/1/1, others can go 25/3/0. Most typical is probably more like 6/3/1 or 2. I had 10+ screeners. Some good advice: no matter how many interviews you have, even if you have 10 in a row one day, treat each and every one like it's your only interview. That means preparing for each one well and not acting groggy during the interview.
5. First CB within a day, first offer not for 1 month, last offer after 2.5 months.

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Postby 314159265358979 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:43 pm

Jsa725 wrote:thanks ^^^ mind sharing which firms were duds, people wise?

also, what cities did you interview for? one city or multiple? i bid DC then exhausted the rest of my bids in NY/CA...


There are no firms that I would consider "duds" people-wise. You wouldn't need to hear it from me anyway-you'll know whether you fit based on talking to the people in the interview room, and it's going to be different for everyone. There is no reason for you to go into any interviews you get already thinking you're not going to like the firm, as it will almost guarantee you won't get the job.

I interviewed anywhere and everywhere I could, but focused on east coast-DC/NY/MA.

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Postby lgleye » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:13 pm

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Postby 314159265358979 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:34 pm

lgleye wrote:
314159265358979 wrote:
fishfry111 wrote:Hey V100 Associate:
Thanks a lot for contributing here. Could you provide a bit more detail concerning the following:
1) what market? Is firm IP specialist or GP?i
2) IP Lit or Pros?
3) What PB qualifier (CS, EE, ME, bio, chem, etc.)
3a) WE related to IP or other (clerkship, other, etc.)?
4) How many pre-selects, callbacks, offers?
5) Time before CB's and offers?

Thanks.


1. I bid all markets/specialties. PM for more details.
2. Both
3. CS/EE
3a. See above, summer jobs.
4. Screener/CB/offer ratio is difficult to predict. Many people go 1/1/1, others can go 25/3/0. Most typical is probably more like 6/3/1 or 2. I had 10+ screeners. Some good advice: no matter how many interviews you have, even if you have 10 in a row one day, treat each and every one like it's your only interview. That means preparing for each one well and not acting groggy during the interview.
5. First CB within a day, first offer not for 1 month, last offer after 2.5 months.

Congrats. My question is how you juggled the offers, with more than a month between your first and last offer. Did you get the first firm to extend the deadline? Also, during this time, how did you do at OCI?


The timeline must be fuzzy for me, because I didn't need the first firm to push up the deadline. I think they gave me around 5-6 weeks, and I pushed up the other callbacks to be before that. There's no special protocol for it, you just tell the other firm who you're waiting to CB with that you have another offer and that you want them to push up your interview and offer timeline. If they say no, then you have to decide whether you want to risk declining your first offer, or whether you'd be happier just accepting it. Generally if possible, you should go on each and every callback you get. In addition to the obvious reason of letting you choose what you want, getting more offers will make it easier for you to switch firms down the road in the event that something goes catastrophically wrong over the summer.

I did OK at OCI, but not as good as at PLIP. I had to withdraw from most of my callbacks from OCI because many of them were scheduled for much later than the expiration of my PLIP offers.

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Postby Jsa725 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:35 pm

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Postby 314159265358979 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:16 pm

Jsa725 wrote:Pi, are there any logistical things about PLIP that we should know before going in? What's the whole process like at the hotel?


They should give you information about a group rate at a hotel. Nothing special here... but it is a pretty hilarious experience because there'll be 100+ people there with you in the lobby looking nervous and preparing resumes. So if that kind of thing gets you nervous, maybe just stay in your room for the most part until the actual interviews.

On that note, they probably made really really clear to you that you need to pick up you interview packet BEFORE the interviews in order to keep them. They are 100% serious about this-if you don't pick it up by the allotted time (maybe 8:00 on the first morning?) then they WILL give away your interviews on the spot. This always happens to someone, and don't let it be you. Definitely take a flight in the day before, preferably in the afternoon so you can pick up your packet that night/go to hospitality suites the night before. Whatever you do, DO NOT BE LATE.

On hospitality suites-there will be a number of rooms in the hotel that employers rent out where you can just drop in, pick up some swag, and schmooze the recruiters. Many people get callbacks from these, so they're a great way to supplement whatever interviews you wind up receiving. Also, lots of them have free food, so there's that. I highly recommend going to these in your downtime, because like I said, people actually do get callbacks this way, even if the firm initially declined to give you a screener.

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Postby Jsa725 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:23 pm

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Postby Agent » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:34 am

Not good. Sorry. Please feel free to PM me if you'd like to talk strategy for the post-PLIP job hunt.

harmonep07 wrote:Anyone care to opine on my chances of getting any interviews?

3L at TTT, rank 1/3~~, working this summer at a non-profit, interned at Kenyon and Kenyon last semester, B.S. in Biology from a large state school with a good GPA.

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Postby harmonep07 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:51 am

Agent wrote:Not good. Sorry. Please feel free to PM me if you'd like to talk strategy for the post-PLIP job hunt.

harmonep07 wrote:Anyone care to opine on my chances of getting any interviews?

3L at TTT, rank 1/3~~, working this summer at a non-profit, interned at Kenyon and Kenyon last semester, B.S. in Biology from a large state school with a good GPA.



I meant 1/3xx, as in first in my class if that changes your analysis at all. There was some confusion when I used the tildes in another thread. Another poster thought I meant 1/3.

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Postby Agent » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:57 am

Congrats! Be careful about how you format that on your resume.

I think you have a much better chance than I did before, but it would not surprise me if you were completely shut out at PLIP.

harmonep07 wrote:I meant 1/3xx, as in first in my class if that changes your analysis at all. There was some confusion when I used the tildes in another thread. Another poster thought I meant 1/3.

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Postby lgleye » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:25 am

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Postby Nammertat » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:24 pm

lgleye wrote:
Agent wrote:Congrats! Be careful about how you format that on your resume.

I think you have a much better chance than I did before, but it would not surprise me if you were completely shut out at PLIP.

harmonep07 wrote:I meant 1/3xx, as in first in my class if that changes your analysis at all. There was some confusion when I used the tildes in another thread. Another poster thought I meant 1/3.

I'm still sticking to my prediction that he'll get 26, even if it's only so thay get to talk to a top-of-the-class. As for the rest of us in the bottom 99.9%, we'll just get 24. In any case, we'll all know in 4 days.


Cannot come soon enough!!!

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Postby 314159265358979 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:22 pm

Jsa725 wrote:
314159265358979 wrote:
Jsa725 wrote:Pi, are there any logistical things about PLIP that we should know before going in? What's the whole process like at the hotel?


They should give you information about a group rate at a hotel. Nothing special here... but it is a pretty hilarious experience because there'll be 100+ people there with you in the lobby looking nervous and preparing resumes. So if that kind of thing gets you nervous, maybe just stay in your room for the most part until the actual interviews.

On that note, they probably made really really clear to you that you need to pick up you interview packet BEFORE the interviews in order to keep them. They are 100% serious about this-if you don't pick it up by the allotted time (maybe 8:00 on the first morning?) then they WILL give away your interviews on the spot. This always happens to someone, and don't let it be you. Definitely take a flight in the day before, preferably in the afternoon so you can pick up your packet that night/go to hospitality suites the night before. Whatever you do, DO NOT BE LATE.

On hospitality suites-there will be a number of rooms in the hotel that employers rent out where you can just drop in, pick up some swag, and schmooze the recruiters. Many people get callbacks from these, so they're a great way to supplement whatever interviews you wind up receiving. Also, lots of them have free food, so there's that. I highly recommend going to these in your downtime, because like I said, people actually do get callbacks this way, even if the firm initially declined to give you a screener.

Wait, so the hospitality suites are open on Wednesday night too? I thought there was a reception Wednesday night... Did you stay in the hotel (to sleep) as well as the entire day in between interviews? Or did you stay at a different hotel?


I just stayed at the hotel with the group rate (Doubletree maybe? It's two blocks north of the Embassy Suites whatever it is). There were definitely employers having receptions Wednesday night, which you should go to, but I suppose they don't actually have the hospitality suites open at that time. Just plan to spend the entire day at the Embassy Suites each day, and go to every event that exists. No reason not to, even if you have 25 interviews.

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:48 pm

fishfry111 wrote:Hey Pi,
You're not the first person telling us not to put too much on initial # of preselects, that preselect/callback/offers numbers can be 1/1/1 or 25/6/0. In normal OCI, a large # of preselcts usually means better prospects for an offer. What' makes PLIP so different? (is there a Nerd factor here?)

Nothing does.

You could attribute it to a higher rate of poor interviewers among a science crowd, but the reality is, the more pre-selects you get, the better chances you have at finding a mutual match. The point of the story is that just because you only get one pre-select, doesn't meant the event is a wash. You could still get the offer, AND you could still pick one up at other events.

More pre-selects = generally more appealable candidate = you'll be ranked higher in each of your screeners = you'll have to be less standoutish to overcome your paper numbers to get the CB.

That said, it only takes one.

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Postby 314159265358979 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
fishfry111 wrote:Hey Pi,
You're not the first person telling us not to put too much on initial # of preselects, that preselect/callback/offers numbers can be 1/1/1 or 25/6/0. In normal OCI, a large # of preselcts usually means better prospects for an offer. What' makes PLIP so different? (is there a Nerd factor here?)

Nothing does.

You could attribute it to a higher rate of poor interviewers among a science crowd, but the reality is, the more pre-selects you get, the better chances you have at finding a mutual match. The point of the story is that just because you only get one pre-select, doesn't meant the event is a wash. You could still get the offer, AND you could still pick one up at other events.

More pre-selects = generally more appealable candidate = you'll be ranked higher in each of your screeners = you'll have to be less standoutish to overcome your paper numbers to get the CB.

That said, it only takes one.


The point is, as the anon said, it only takes 1. You could even get 0, go to the hospitality suite, and turn something there into an interview and a job. Pretty much everyone on this forum knows that the legal job market today is a huge hustle. You definitely can't just assume you're going to get enough screeners that you'll definitely get an offer, and the best advice you can get is to leave no stone unturned in your search.

My point in the example of 25 screeners is you shouldn't look at the guy next to you who's great on paper and assume that because he got more interviews than you, you're not good enough to get a job. Is it preferable to be in that position? Of course it is, but it's not the end of the world if you aren't. Look, your interview schedules will be coming out in just a few days, and some of you will be really happy, but many of you will be disappointed. What I'm trying to tell you is that if you get fewer than you wanted, there are still many things you can and should do to increase your chances of converting that interview into a job.

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As a former scientist, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the most socially savvy person out there. However, I would like to think that I'm not so awkward that I can't talk to other people. But having read stories of people getting many interviews but no callbacks/offers, I'm definitely getting a bit nervous with Loyola/SIPJF/OCI just around the corner.

Aside from the obvious (e.g. talking about a city where the firm doesn't have an office, lack of research on what the firm does, getting obnoxiously drunk at the reception, horrible body odor), what are some other mistakes that people should avoid to increase their chances of receiving callbacks/offers?

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Postby calmonster » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:04 pm

All,

the application deadline for SFIPLA has been pushed to tomorrow according to my school's career center. This morning I saw all the major firms there (15 of them), but then later when I applied I only see 3. Any ideas?

Thanks

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Anonymous User wrote:As a former scientist, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the most socially savvy person out there. However, I would like to think that I'm not so awkward that I can't talk to other people. But having read stories of people getting many interviews but no callbacks/offers, I'm definitely getting a bit nervous with Loyola/SIPJF/OCI just around the corner.

Aside from the obvious (e.g. talking about a city where the firm doesn't have an office, lack of research on what the firm does, getting obnoxiously drunk at the reception, horrible body odor), what are some other mistakes that people should avoid to increase their chances of receiving callbacks/offers?

Suggestions for men to Avoid:
1. Wearing Unisex Hot-Pants to the interview.
2. Corn-Rowing your hair.
3. eating beans just before meeting

For Women:
Avoid #3, but #1 and #2 are okay.

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Postby Nammertat » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:33 pm

fishfry111 wrote:
calmonster wrote:All,

the application deadline for SFIPLA has been pushed to tomorrow according to my school's career center. This morning I saw all the major firms there (15 of them), but then later when I applied I only see 3. Any ideas?

Thanks

Don't have a clue, but it seems that SFIPLA is really quirky, with lots of you guys having trouble logging on and bidding.
For all of our sakes, I'm hoping that the (1) extension of deadline, and (2) drop of 15 firms to 3 bodes well, that is, like here at PLIP, fewer registrants for the same (or more) number of firms/jobs. Let's all keep our collective fingers crossed as Monday morning approaches.


I'm still able to see all 15 firms in the SFIPLA simplicity.

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