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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:52 pm

Wilson Sonsini CB via phone today. DC office.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So I went to Marshall Gerstein's HS during PLIP to drop off my resume and told them I bid on them for my school's OCI. They decided they were not coming to the OCI, but today, I received an email saying they would like to "invite you to our office in Chicago to meet with members of our firm." Screener? Callback?


Are you a 2L? Are you located near Chi? If they offer to pay for you to come in, it might be a call back.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:22 pm

Any 3Ls received any action? If so, with whom? No CBs yet which obviously concerns me, but no dings yet either. I'm in that strange netherworld where I think I've been rejected but still have that slight glimmer of hope waiting to finally crush me.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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Anonymous User wrote:Any 3Ls received any action? If so, with whom? No CBs yet which obviously concerns me, but no dings yet either. I'm in that strange netherworld where I think I've been rejected but still have that slight glimmer of hope waiting to finally crush me.


ditto to that!

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:42 pm

Kaye Scholer ding via email

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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Anonymous User wrote:So I went to Marshall Gerstein's HS during PLIP to drop off my resume and told them I bid on them for my school's OCI. They decided they were not coming to the OCI, but today, I received an email saying they would like to "invite you to our office in Chicago to meet with members of our firm." Screener? Callback?


Are you a 2L? Are you located near Chi? If they offer to pay for you to come in, it might be a call back.


I am a rising 2L yes, and I live about 2 hours drive from Chicago. They offered to pay for gas and parking. They just sent me the schedule for the interview, and it has a lineup of 6 attorneys. Quite elaborate if its just a screener. But I am not going to get my hope up.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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Anonymous User wrote:So I went to Marshall Gerstein's HS during PLIP to drop off my resume and told them I bid on them for my school's OCI. They decided they were not coming to the OCI, but today, I received an email saying they would like to "invite you to our office in Chicago to meet with members of our firm." Screener? Callback?


Are you a 2L? Are you located near Chi? If they offer to pay for you to come in, it might be a call back.


I am a rising 2L yes, and I live about 2 hours drive from Chicago. They offered to pay for gas and parking. They just sent me the schedule for the interview, and it has a lineup of 6 attorneys. Quite elaborate if its just a screener. But I am not going to get my hope up.

Definitely a callback. Good luck!

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby androstan » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:21 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:So I went to Marshall Gerstein's HS during PLIP to drop off my resume and told them I bid on them for my school's OCI. They decided they were not coming to the OCI, but today, I received an email saying they would like to "invite you to our office in Chicago to meet with members of our firm." Screener? Callback?


Are you a 2L? Are you located near Chi? If they offer to pay for you to come in, it might be a call back.


I am a rising 2L yes, and I live about 2 hours drive from Chicago. They offered to pay for gas and parking. They just sent me the schedule for the interview, and it has a lineup of 6 attorneys. Quite elaborate if its just a screener. But I am not going to get my hope up.


That is a callback sir/mam.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:50 pm

Mayer Brown (Chi) ding today via email.

I know CBs have gone out for Sterne Kessler, but have they sent out dings?

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:07 pm

To all the 3Ls out there: I am going to be starting at a firm as a first year associate and I got my job through the Loyola Patent Fair as a 3L. I actually received several CBs and offers from Loyola. It really depends on the firm and it make take several weeks before you hear back from. They are on a different hiring schedule then 2Ls.

Stay in touch with them every few weeks. Be persistent. If you can financially swing it, say you "will be in town next week" and would love to meet with more attorneys while you are in town. I know it might be expensive and it might mean less drinks or coffees, but this is your career. You need to hustle.

I hustled my way into 5 or 6 CBs and had several biglaw/midlaw offers in my hand by the middle of September. And for what it is worth, I had no summer associate position as a 2L and my grades put me at bottom of class from a T25 school. And, no, I do not have an engineering degree.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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Anonymous User wrote:Mayer Brown (Chi) ding today via email.

I know CBs have gone out for Sterne Kessler, but have they sent out dings?


Also a MB Chi ding

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:36 pm

Anonymous User wrote:To all the 3Ls out there: I am going to be starting at a firm as a first year associate and I got my job through the Loyola Patent Fair as a 3L. I actually received several CBs and offers from Loyola. It really depends on the firm and it make take several weeks before you hear back from. They are on a different hiring schedule then 2Ls.

Stay in touch with them every few weeks. Be persistent. If you can financially swing it, say you "will be in town next week" and would love to meet with more attorneys while you are in town. I know it might be expensive and it might mean less drinks or coffees, but this is your career. You need to hustle.

I hustled my way into 5 or 6 CBs and had several biglaw/midlaw offers in my hand by the middle of September. And for what it is worth, I had no summer associate position as a 2L and my grades put me at bottom of class from a T25 school. And, no, I do not have an engineering degree.


May I ask what makes you stand out among all the 3L candidates? Thanks.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:32 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:To all the 3Ls out there: I am going to be starting at a firm as a first year associate and I got my job through the Loyola Patent Fair as a 3L. I actually received several CBs and offers from Loyola. It really depends on the firm and it make take several weeks before you hear back from. They are on a different hiring schedule then 2Ls.

Stay in touch with them every few weeks. Be persistent. If you can financially swing it, say you "will be in town next week" and would love to meet with more attorneys while you are in town. I know it might be expensive and it might mean less drinks or coffees, but this is your career. You need to hustle.

I hustled my way into 5 or 6 CBs and had several biglaw/midlaw offers in my hand by the middle of September. And for what it is worth, I had no summer associate position as a 2L and my grades put me at bottom of class from a T25 school. And, no, I do not have an engineering degree.


May I ask what makes you stand out among all the 3L candidates? Thanks.


He's a hustler baby

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:08 am

Anonymous User wrote:To all the 3Ls out there: I am going to be starting at a firm as a first year associate and I got my job through the Loyola Patent Fair as a 3L. I actually received several CBs and offers from Loyola. It really depends on the firm and it make take several weeks before you hear back from. They are on a different hiring schedule then 2Ls.

Stay in touch with them every few weeks. Be persistent. If you can financially swing it, say you "will be in town next week" and would love to meet with more attorneys while you are in town. I know it might be expensive and it might mean less drinks or coffees, but this is your career. You need to hustle.

I hustled my way into 5 or 6 CBs and had several biglaw/midlaw offers in my hand by the middle of September. And for what it is worth, I had no summer associate position as a 2L and my grades put me at bottom of class from a T25 school. And, no, I do not have an engineering degree.


Do you have a background in comp sci, or an advanced degree in the life sciences or chemistry? Those could make you highly competitive with a lower GPA as well.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:21 am

It's been quiet this week for callbacks and dings...

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:03 am

3L EE w great WE but forgettable LS credentials, got 7 screeners and 1 CB. So far. Probably my only CB; the only other screener I felt great about is for a smaller firm looking for 1 or 2 candidates so I'm not holding my breath on that oe.

But, I feel like I blew the CB because I was largely unprepared to be grilled on my tech credentials. Since 1L, I must have had some 40-50 individual interviews(screeners and CB combined) and the questionsabout my tech background were always cursory.But here, these guys wanted to gauge my familiarity w specific tech areas, or explain to them in detail what I did as an engineer. I was caught up short and my answers were halting and vague. Even having to justify engineering grades from 15 years ago. Ugh.

Looking back, out of all my interviews at all kinds of firms. from GPS to the large IP boutiques (Fish & Richardson, etc.), it occurs to me that its the first time I have CBed for a prosecution group specifically (I have only very recently decides to focus on pro). I should have realized that these guys would dig deep but habit and maybe overconfidence borne of experience won over (nowadays I treat all my interviews like a.pleasant chat, and never bring any notes).

TL;DR: be ready to demonstrate your tech chops during patent PROSECUTION CBs.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:56 pm

Anonymous User wrote:To clarify your list:

CB:

Akin Gump (DC)
McDermott (Any and all - they really didn't care)
Mayer Brown (DC)
Kenyon & Kenyon (NY but could be for other places)
Perkins Coie (Seattle)
Knobbe (OC)
Lowenstein (Palo Alto)
Proskauer (Boston)
Jones Day (DC)
White & Case (DC)
Finnegan (DC)

Dings:

WilmerHale (Boston)
Foley (Like everyone else)
O'Melveny (Who cares)
Nutter (Boston)
Hogan Lovels (DC)


New callback this week:

Kilpatrick (Bay Area)

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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Anonymous User wrote:It's been quiet this week for callbacks and dings...

I picked up Kirkland DC callback. Only movement this week.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby laxbrah420 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:28 pm

Are yall approaching general practice @ large firm interviews (w/ non-ip interviewers) differently? Is there a presumption that these guys don't even build the IP summer program and thus we (I) should talk about general interests at their firm and then shift my way into patent once I'm in there (knowing they have a solid patent dept).

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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laxbrah420 wrote:Are yall approaching general practice @ large firm interviews (w/ non-ip interviewers) differently? Is there a presumption that these guys don't even build the IP summer program and thus we (I) should talk about general interests at their firm and then shift my way into patent once I'm in there (knowing they have a solid patent dept).

I've knocked out several CBs now, and in my experience, the only non-ip interviewers have been managing partners, hiring partners, etc. Folks who are on the recruiting committee and know what's up and why I'm there. Granted these have all come from IP fairs and whatnot, so if you're referring to OCI then good luck. In my experience there from 1L, they don't understand IP backgrounds and seem to distrust us, feeling that we don't want to do anything but go to some IP boutique.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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laxbrah420 wrote:Are yall approaching general practice @ large firm interviews (w/ non-ip interviewers) differently? Is there a presumption that these guys don't even build the IP summer program and thus we (I) should talk about general interests at their firm and then shift my way into patent once I'm in there (knowing they have a solid patent dept).

I've knocked out several CBs now, and in my experience, the only non-ip interviewers have been managing partners, hiring partners, etc. Folks who are on the recruiting committee and know what's up and why I'm there. Granted these have all come from IP fairs and whatnot, so if you're referring to OCI then good luck. In my experience there from 1L, they don't understand IP backgrounds and seem to distrust us, feeling that we don't want to do anything but go to some IP boutique.

Ya sorry I was talking about OCI interviewers from big firms with IP practices (that are not boutiques). You think "hide it" is the the credited strategy?

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

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laxbrah420 wrote:
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laxbrah420 wrote:Are yall approaching general practice @ large firm interviews (w/ non-ip interviewers) differently? Is there a presumption that these guys don't even build the IP summer program and thus we (I) should talk about general interests at their firm and then shift my way into patent once I'm in there (knowing they have a solid patent dept).

I've knocked out several CBs now, and in my experience, the only non-ip interviewers have been managing partners, hiring partners, etc. Folks who are on the recruiting committee and know what's up and why I'm there. Granted these have all come from IP fairs and whatnot, so if you're referring to OCI then good luck. In my experience there from 1L, they don't understand IP backgrounds and seem to distrust us, feeling that we don't want to do anything but go to some IP boutique.

Ya sorry I was talking about OCI interviewers from big firms with IP practices (that are not boutiques). You think "hide it" is the the credited strategy?

Yah, I got a 1L SA at a fairly big regional firm with 0 IP presence. In interviews I never brought up IP and downplayed it if asked.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:53 pm

I have expressed interest in both IP and non (even soft IP and transactions when the firm did no patent work -- the interviewer actually noted that his first thought was to put me on pharma/biotech transactions... He was a corporate guy).

So far no CBs but it's only the second day of my oci.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:00 pm

Brinks (Chicago) CB today via email.

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Re: Loyola PLIP 2013: Brace yourselves...

Postby laxbrah420 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:15 pm

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laxbrah420 wrote:
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laxbrah420 wrote:Are yall approaching general practice @ large firm interviews (w/ non-ip interviewers) differently? Is there a presumption that these guys don't even build the IP summer program and thus we (I) should talk about general interests at their firm and then shift my way into patent once I'm in there (knowing they have a solid patent dept).

I've knocked out several CBs now, and in my experience, the only non-ip interviewers have been managing partners, hiring partners, etc. Folks who are on the recruiting committee and know what's up and why I'm there. Granted these have all come from IP fairs and whatnot, so if you're referring to OCI then good luck. In my experience there from 1L, they don't understand IP backgrounds and seem to distrust us, feeling that we don't want to do anything but go to some IP boutique.

Ya sorry I was talking about OCI interviewers from big firms with IP practices (that are not boutiques). You think "hide it" is the the credited strategy?

Yah, I got a 1L SA at a fairly big regional firm with 0 IP presence. In interviews I never brought up IP and downplayed it if asked.

I was talking about places with IP presence (kirkland, ropes, proskauer) but you're talking to a corporate bro




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