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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:21 pm

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People have different reactions to Susman. My buddy and I had a great time with all the attorneys (we both accepted our summer offers), but a few of our friends seemed pretty turned off by them. I didn't really see it, but I guess it depends on the person. All that being said, make up your own mind about em.


Do you have any idea what their grade cut off is? Top 15% at MVP good enough? Or do I need to kill it and grade onto law review? Is it easier to get into their Houston office than Dallas or LA, which are much smaller.


You need to: (1) get a federal clerkship (they only hire former clerks); and (2) have a stellar resume. You need to kill it.


This is incorrect. They require all new attorneys to have clerked. That's not the same thing as hiring only clerks. They hire for their summer program through OCI and then make offers in early september. The offers are contingent on landing a clerkship.

Obviously, they also hire people that never summered at the firm but are coming out of clerkships.

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:25 pm

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People have different reactions to Susman. My buddy and I had a great time with all the attorneys (we both accepted our summer offers), but a few of our friends seemed pretty turned off by them. I didn't really see it, but I guess it depends on the person. All that being said, make up your own mind about em.


Do you have any idea what their grade cut off is? Top 15% at MVP good enough? Or do I need to kill it and grade onto law review? Is it easier to get into their Houston office than Dallas or LA, which are much smaller.


You need to: (1) get a federal clerkship (they only hire former clerks); and (2) have a stellar resume. You need to kill it.


This is incorrect. They require all new attorneys to have clerked. That's not the same thing as hiring only clerks. They hire for their summer program through OCI and then make offers in early september. The offers are contingent on landing a clerkship.

Obviously, they also hire people that never summered at the firm but are coming out of clerkships.


Oh, of course I must be wrong because I define "hire" differently than you. I don't consider summering being "hired." So actually, I am right, and you are too. Isn't that cool?

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Oh, of course I must be wrong because I define "hire" differently than you. I don't consider summering being "hired." So actually, I am right, and you are too. Isn't that cool?


So when you get your signing bonus before the clerkship, you aren't hired? You said they only hire "former" clerks. My point was that full-time offers go out after you've summered but before you start clerking. So no, I didn't consider getting a summer offer as being "hired."

Edit: my basic point is as follows: some people have the misconception that Susman will only talk to you after you've started your clerkship and are looking for your post-clerkship employment. However, they are just like other firms in that they hire via their summer program and directly from clerkships (i.e. people that never summered with them).

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:33 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Thanks for the advice guys. I know my summer, at least this summer, is 14 weeks.

One question I had is if people think that taking Fulbright over V&E for litigation is a good choice? I will be applying to Susman, hopefully I will meet their crazy grade requirements, but they only do 2L SA programs (it only 4 weeks). Does anyone have any advice on the difference of FJ and Lock Lord?


Fulbright is slightly more formal, more staid. They take work seriously and don't fraternize too much on the job. Locke Lord is full of personalities, and they are fun people both on and off the job. Both firms have great people and a pleasant culture. The work can be a bit different and the work environment is more lively at Locke.

-A grad who summered at both


Which did you choose? It sounds like LL. they really seemed to push that they wanted to make every associate a partner one day. Did you get this feeling? Do you thinn F&J is like that as well?

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby 005618502 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:07 pm

Does anyone have an opinion on where HaynesBoone falls in the scheme of things for litigation? I see that MartinDale has them #1. I have heard the culture is good. Are the partnership prospects good?

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby 90LawSchool » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:25 pm

OP: please private message me - I am a 1L with questions about some of the firms you applied to. Thanks!

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:47 pm

I'm a 1L with offers from a couple of the same firms you're asking about. One useful thing that older law students/lawyers have pointed out to me about choosing between firms at this level (as in the top couple tiers of firms in a given market) is that there isn't necessarily any correlation between a firm's overall strength in a practice area and the quality of your experience as a lawyer in that firm in that practice area.

Meaning, basically, that you won't necessarily have a better time doing lit at Fulbright than at V&E even though Fulbright overall is a much more litigation-heavy shop. You'll still have lots of different superstar partners doing various kinds of litigation work at both firms, and you'll probably get staffed on broadly similar matters. I guess there's a chance that there's a huge difference in experience between being one of 100 litigators at F&J versus one of 50 at V&E, but I sort of doubt it.

This is assuming that the departments you are comparing are able to stay reasonably busy, which I don't think is a problem at the places you're looking (though folks who know more abt the situation should chime in if I'm wrong).

So I'd probably just say go wherever you liked people better.

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby rad lulz » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:54 pm

Take the one(s) with the best offer rates.

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Re: Best Litigation Firm in Texas

Postby kalvano » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:56 pm

Work for Bickel and pretend you're Harvey Spector.




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