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"SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby emciosn » Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:15 pm

I thought I had seen something on this before but I may be imagining things. I have a post graduate clerkship with a bankruptcy judge lined up (any questions about the bankruptcy clerkship application process feel free to ask) and I am wondering if there is any such thing as bgger firms hiring recent graduates going into one-year term clerkships as "summer associates"? Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing? It may not even exist...

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby thesealocust » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:11 pm

Yes. It does but it's rare, you probably just have to ask. I think it may have been more common back in the day.

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:13 am

I'm doing a pre-clerk SA, but with the same firm that I worked for during my 2L summer. If your bankruptcy clerkship is in SDNY/DE, I would apply to the firms with big BR/restructuring departments after the holidays. Can't hurt to ask.

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:50 am

Anonymous User wrote:I'm doing a pre-clerk SA, but with the same firm that I worked for during my 2L summer. If your bankruptcy clerkship is in SDNY/DE, I would apply to the firms with big BR/restructuring departments after the holidays. Can't hurt to ask.

Not OP. Why are you doing this? When are you taking the bar? It seems worth the money if you have a lot of debt, but I can't imagine firms would be very receptive to that reason.

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby emciosn » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:50 pm

My clerkship is in the first circuit but I did get some SDNY/DE bankruptcy interviews - I am thinking reapplying to the SDNY/DE judges in the spring/early summer. Anyway my grades got quite a bit better over my 2L year (T20 school). I would be close to or in the biglaw grade range for my school now but I wasn't after my first year. So, I am really just thinking about this as a way to form a relationship with a bigger firm for down the line... Good to know it exists at some level, I will do some asking around after the holidays and let you all know how it goes.

Any other insights would be much appreciated!

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:28 pm

OP I am at one of the usual suspects for restructuring (Weil, K&E). I have absolutely nothing to do with any hiring that goes on, but from who I've seen come through here, the only people that have been hired from pre-clerkship SAs are those who are going to a federal COA.

We have hired quite a few people who have come off of SDNY/DE BK clerkships though. If you end up doing a second clerkship in one of those districts, you have a very good shot at getting hired into a top restructuring practice.


Anonymous User wrote: Not OP. Why are you doing this? When are you taking the bar? It seems worth the money if you have a lot of debt, but I can't imagine firms would be very receptive to that reason.


As for this - you don't tell them you want the money, you tell them whatever reason they want to hear. ("I'd love to see if I fit with X firm/city/etc.")

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby emciosn » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP I am at one of the usual suspects for restructuring (Weil, K&E). I have absolutely nothing to do with any hiring that goes on, but from who I've seen come through here, the only people that have been hired from pre-clerkship SAs are those who are going to a federal COA.

We have hired quite a few people who have come off of SDNY/DE BK clerkships though. If you end up doing a second clerkship in one of those districts, you have a very good shot at getting hired into a top restructuring practice.


Anonymous User wrote: Not OP. Why are you doing this? When are you taking the bar? It seems worth the money if you have a lot of debt, but I can't imagine firms would be very receptive to that reason.


As for this - you don't tell them you want the money, you tell them whatever reason they want to hear. ("I'd love to see if I fit with X firm/city/etc.")


Thanks for your thoughts. Yeah my thought was that the chances chances of landing at one of the big time restructuring firms may hinge of whether I can get in with one of the DE/SDNY judges. But, it probably won't hurt to send out some feelers and maybe I will get lucky.

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby nevdash » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:43 pm

Dude, just get in the judges game with an SDNY/D. Del. BK judge, call his hand blind, and enjoy your clerkship.

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm doing a pre-clerk SA, but with the same firm that I worked for during my 2L summer. If your bankruptcy clerkship is in SDNY/DE, I would apply to the firms with big BR/restructuring departments after the holidays. Can't hurt to ask.

Not OP. Why are you doing this? When are you taking the bar? It seems worth the money if you have a lot of debt, but I can't imagine firms would be very receptive to that reason.


I'm the person with the pre-clerk SA. I'm taking the bar the same summer. I'm doing a 6 week SA while taking bar prep, and then 4 weeks off before the bar. I do have a lot of debt, and that is a big part of the reason. I did articulate other reasons to the firm, and I'm not the first person at the same firm to do a pre-clerk.

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Re: "SA"prior to starting a clerkship?

Postby ClerkAnon » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:58 am

I did this, albeit with my 2L summer firm. It was an *extremely* intense summer due to the full-time work + bar prep. However, it definitely worked out from a student loan perspective and increased my QOL during my clerkship.

I'd intended to look into a pre-clerkship SA with firms other than my 2L summer firm, but found this impossible during on-campus interviewing because the firms were interviewing 3Ls simultaneously with judges who were interviewing clerks, and I kept having to cancel on the firms to fly out for clerkship interviews. I honestly did not consider reaching out to the firms after securing a clerkship, as it sounds like you are doing. But FWIW, what you're considering doing definitely existed when I was a 3L, which was a few years ago and in a better economy. From other commenters in this thread, sounds like it still does. Good luck.




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