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Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:50 pm

As the title says, I was a former V15 senior litigation associate, made the move over to in-house counsel last year. It's slow at year's end so I'll take any questions you may have regarding biglaw or moving in house.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby ph14 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:53 pm

byebyebiglaw wrote:As the title says, I was a former V15 senior litigation associate, made the move over to in-house counsel last year. It's slow at year's end so I'll take any questions you may have regarding biglaw or moving in house.


  • Company/Industry?
  • Salary?
  • Hours?
  • Lawschool?
  • Grades?
  • Journal?
  • Advice for making yourself marketable and other factors in transitioning to in-house counsel?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:00 pm

  • Company/Industry? Tech
  • Salary? Started at $150+ Stock
  • Hours? SO MUCH BETTER
  • Lawschool? Top 10
  • Grades? Good, not great
  • Journal? Yes
  • Advice for making yourself marketable and other factors in transitioning to in-house counsel? Do good work for your clients, many transitions come from those relationships. Others from partners you've worked with who have other client relationships. And, even as a senior associate moving in-house they still care about the school you went to, the grades you got, and the firm that you're coming from.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby ph14 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:07 pm

byebyebiglaw wrote:
  • Company/Industry? Tech
  • Salary? Started at $150+ Stock
  • Hours? SO MUCH BETTER
  • Lawschool? Top 10
  • Grades? Good, not great
  • Journal? Yes
  • Advice for making yourself marketable and other factors in transitioning to in-house counsel? Do good work for your clients, many transitions come from those relationships. Others from partners you've worked with who have other client relationships. And, even as a senior associate moving in-house they still care about the school you went to, the grades you got, and the firm that you're coming from.


Can you elaborate on the hours?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby badaboom61 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:11 pm

How long did you spend at your firm before you left? Do you think there is generally an ideal time to leave?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:12 pm

ph14 wrote:
byebyebiglaw wrote:
  • Company/Industry? Tech
  • Salary? Started at $150+ Stock
  • Hours? SO MUCH BETTER
  • Lawschool? Top 10
  • Grades? Good, not great
  • Journal? Yes
  • Advice for making yourself marketable and other factors in transitioning to in-house counsel? Do good work for your clients, many transitions come from those relationships. Others from partners you've worked with who have other client relationships. And, even as a senior associate moving in-house they still care about the school you went to, the grades you got, and the firm that you're coming from.


Can you elaborate on the hours?


It really varies, but the biggest change is when you've left work (at the worst 7 or 8) there's no pressure to be constantly "on." When the weekend comes the time is yours, you're not checking your email every 15 minutes. I'd say my hours are generally 9-6, but there are of course times that are way busier.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:15 pm

badaboom61 wrote:How long did you spend at your firm before you left? Do you think there is generally an ideal time to leave?


7 years. I think the idea time is 3-5 years, you finally have some useful skills/experience (hopefully) and that's usually the sweet spot for companies looking for hires.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:43 pm

Practice group while at the firm?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby 2014 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:45 pm

Did you have good partnership prospects or did you see the writing on the wall leading you to in house?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Practice group while at the firm?


Litigation

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:52 pm

2014 wrote:Did you have good partnership prospects or did you see the writing on the wall leading you to in house?


I probably wouldn't have made partner, though I wasn't being pushed out. Yet. As far as everything they were telling me, I was still on track, but the odds were so low, that when the opportunity came up, I had to take it.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:54 pm

byebyebiglaw wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Practice group while at the firm?


Litigation



Got that, but what industry group, etc.?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:02 pm

Do you get the impression that certain specializations (M&A group v. environmental group, etc.) while at a firm lend to a better shot at an in-house position?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby 2014 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:15 pm

byebyebiglaw wrote:
2014 wrote:Did you have good partnership prospects or did you see the writing on the wall leading you to in house?


I probably wouldn't have made partner, though I wasn't being pushed out. Yet. As far as everything they were telling me, I was still on track, but the odds were so low, that when the opportunity came up, I had to take it.

How much longer do you think you had before you would have been pushed out?

Did your peers who left before their 7th year do so largely by choice or no?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Do you get the impression that certain specializations (M&A group v. environmental group, etc.) while at a firm lend to a better shot at an in-house position?


Corporate/Transactional seem to be in high general demand for in house. Litigation is a bit harder and there's probably less of a demand for specialities like environmental.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:18 pm

2014 wrote:
byebyebiglaw wrote:
2014 wrote:Did you have good partnership prospects or did you see the writing on the wall leading you to in house?


I probably wouldn't have made partner, though I wasn't being pushed out. Yet. As far as everything they were telling me, I was still on track, but the odds were so low, that when the opportunity came up, I had to take it.

How much longer do you think you had before you would have been pushed out?

Did your peers who left before their 7th year do so largely by choice or no?


Probably another year, that's when they decide partner or out. I'd say about a third were pushed out, the rest by choice.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:29 pm

Do you have any advice for recent graduates starting in-house? In particular, I hear that the training in-house is sub-par compared to a firm. Any suggestions for ways to address that?

I recognize that this is a rare situation, but due to the weird economy I recently started doing tech. transactional work (mostly software licensing) after graduating last May. Any insight would be appreciated.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:30 pm

did you seek out the position or were you recruited?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:42 pm

Industry group?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:42 am

Anonymous User wrote:Do you have any advice for recent graduates starting in-house? In particular, I hear that the training in-house is sub-par compared to a firm. Any suggestions for ways to address that?

I recognize that this is a rare situation, but due to the weird economy I recently started doing tech. transactional work (mostly software licensing) after graduating last May. Any insight would be appreciated.


Not really and I think training really depends on area and company. I'm not really familiar with tech transactions but I do know some in house people do the training seminars to brush up on skills or learn new things. Outside counsel are always pitching training programs so maybe that's something to look into.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:44 am

Anonymous User wrote:did you seek out the position or were you recruited?


Kind of a hybrid through working with the in house counsel at a client. They'd casually mention coming over and I finally decided it was time.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby byebyebiglaw » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:45 am

Big Shrimpin wrote:Industry group?


Primarily tech industry but general commercial litigation.

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby thescienceguy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:26 am

3L here who really wants to go in-house at a tech company some day. Working at a V50 in NYC after graduation in their general corporate group. As far as I know, we don't have any tech clients and I also don't have a tech-related background. How difficult would it be for me to get to where you are now? Should I try to lateral to a firm that does IP transactional/VC/startup work to get relevant industry experience?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby KingsCup » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:32 am

thescienceguy wrote:3L here who really wants to go in-house at a tech company some day. Working at a V50 in NYC after graduation in their general corporate group. As far as I know, we don't have any tech clients and I also don't have a tech-related background. How difficult would it be for me to get to where you are now? Should I try to lateral to a firm that does IP transactional/VC/startup work to get relevant industry experience?

Thanks in advance!


also, to kind of piggyback on this, how helpful would it be to have a tech background to get to where you were/are?

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Re: Former V15 Senior Associate - Current In-House Taking ?s

Postby TatNurner » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:02 am

How did staying in biglaw for 7 years affect your personal life? To be more specific, around here a lot of people characterize biglaw as being non-stop work where you don't have much room for a personal life. Did you find this was the case?

Also, how many hours a week did you work on average while in biglaw?




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