3L OCI Data at T14s

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3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:36 pm

Anyone have data on their schools? I'll share what I have, which isn't much. GULC OCS says 200 students averaged 1 interview each.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby prezidentv8 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have data on their schools? I'll share what I have, which isn't much. GULC OCS says 200 students averaged 1 interview each.


Screening interviews, presumably?

If so, sounds about right. If callbacks, I am shocked.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby bizzybone1313 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:42 pm

prezidentv8 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have data on their schools? I'll share what I have, which isn't much. GULC OCS says 200 students averaged 1 interview each.


Screening interviews, presumably?

If so, sounds about right. If callbacks, I am shocked.


Wait- so are you saying that 200 students at Georgetown do not have a job lined up as a 3L?

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:06 pm

I don't have numbers, but (in my empirical experience) it was truly paltry this year, significantly worse than last year (if you compare this year's threads to last year's). At CLS, we had barely any employers come in the first place (~35 offices, ~10 of which were different Latham offices and another 10 were IP....then we had firrms like Cravath, Skadden, Williams & Connolly, Susman, etc, so a lot of people are going to have no shot at those firms).

There were basically no CBs reported. I got one CB from which I ultimately got an offer, but I had a 2L SA at a different firm from which I got an offer. I have not met a single person who did not have an SA who got a job through EIP as a 3L this year although perhaps there were a few IP people in that category. I would be surprised if more than 10 3Ls got offers through EIP this year.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby BruceWayne » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:19 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:Wait- so are you saying that 200 students at Georgetown do not have a job lined up as a 3L?


If that is shocking to you you have been totally sheltered from the current legal hiring market. Actually considering their class size only having 200 without something lined up at this point in the year isn't all that bad.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby IAFG » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:21 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:Wait- so are you saying that 200 students at Georgetown do not have a job lined up as a 3L?


If that is shocking to you you have been totally sheltered from the current legal hiring market. Actually considering their class size only having 200 without something lined up at this point in the year isn't all that bad.

If that's based on who all did OCI, that's actually damn good. People also do OCI because they haven't heard from their firm by OCI or want to trade up.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby bizzybone1313 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:31 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:Wait- so are you saying that 200 students at Georgetown do not have a job lined up as a 3L?


If that is shocking to you you have been totally sheltered from the current legal hiring market. Actually considering their class size only having 200 without something lined up at this point in the year isn't all that bad.


The only reason it is shocking is because it is from such a prestigious law school. No wonder you guys call it GeorgeTTTown. It would be a different story if it was from a TTT from South Dakota.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:40 pm

GTowns' class size is over 530. If 330 people have good jobs, that would be competitive with any T14 outside HYS.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote: I have not met a single person who did not have an SA who got a job through EIP as a 3L this year although perhaps there were a few IP people in that category.
I did (not IP). I agree the numbers are small but definitely not non-existent.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:26 pm

bizzybone1313 wrote:
prezidentv8 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have data on their schools? I'll share what I have, which isn't much. GULC OCS says 200 students averaged 1 interview each.


Screening interviews, presumably?

If so, sounds about right. If callbacks, I am shocked.


Wait- so are you saying that 200 students at Georgetown do not have a job lined up as a 3L?


I don't know how many people at GULC do or don't have jobs. However, your assumption is a dumb one, no offense. Just because that many people did 3L OCI interviews does not mean all of those people didn't have jobs. I know this because I was one of the ones who did 3L OCI interviews at GULC and I did have a job. I had an offer from my firm but the way GULC's system works, you have to bid on interviews before you have an offer with your firm. So, hundreds and hundreds of people end up bidding and then they get their interview schedules. After those people who have interviews get offers from their summer firms, some of them will cancel. I didn't cancel my 3L OCI interview despite getting an offer from my firm (I was hoping to see what else was out there) and I have many friends who went through with their interviews as well, despite having offers. I had more than one interview through 3L OCI, but less than five. I know a few others who did as well. You just had to be proactive at signing up for slots as other people cancelled, etc.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: I have not met a single person who did not have an SA who got a job through EIP as a 3L this year although perhaps there were a few IP people in that category.
I did (not IP). I agree the numbers are small but definitely not non-existent.


right, I didn't mean absolutely non-existent, which is why I said:

me wrote:I would be surprised if more than 10 3Ls got offers through EIP this year.


But I would be very curious to find out the number of offers this year for 3Ls at EIP. Do you know anyone else? So far all I know is me and you.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: I have not met a single person who did not have an SA who got a job through EIP as a 3L this year although perhaps there were a few IP people in that category.
I did (not IP). I agree the numbers are small but definitely not non-existent.


Any clues as to why this person, or other people in a similar position, achieve the impossible... get an 3LOLCI jerb without having a 2L SA. High grades? Great summer experience? Went to a coach and became awesome interviewers? Pure luck? I struck out at about top 1/3 of my T-14, I am guessing interview problems, and I wonder whether there is any 3L OCI hope if I let's say go into top 1/5 by taking substantial courses.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:01 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote: I have not met a single person who did not have an SA who got a job through EIP as a 3L this year although perhaps there were a few IP people in that category.
I did (not IP). I agree the numbers are small but definitely not non-existent.


right, I didn't mean absolutely non-existent, which is why I said:

me wrote:I would be surprised if more than 10 3Ls got offers through EIP this year.


But I would be very curious to find out the number of offers this year for 3Ls at EIP. Do you know anyone else? So far all I know is me and you.
Well the way you said it made it seem like the only 3Ls who got offers through EIP were either IP or they had a 2L SA. I was just providing a counterpoint. I know someone else who got an offer but s/he had a 2L SA. Pretty much everyone else I know is either clerking or going back to their 2L firms. In other words, I don't think the sample size is very large to begin with. Your guess of no more than 10 3Ls actually sounds pretty plausible to me.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Well the way you said it made it seem like the only 3Ls who got offers through EIP were either IP or they had a 2L SA. I was just providing a counterpoint. I know someone else who got an offer but s/he had a 2L SA. Pretty much everyone else I know is either clerking or going back to their 2L firms. In other words, I don't think the sample size is very large to begin with. Your guess of no more than 10 3Ls actually sounds pretty plausible to me.


Yeah I only know one person who didn't get a job through EIP as a 2L. Other than that person whose plans I don't know (kind of an awkward thing to inquire about...), every single person I know had a 2L SA, got an offer, and is either going back there or is clerking. But I know there are 3Ls out there who didn't have 2L SAs (or got no-offered) and still don't have anything lined up. Maybe 10% of the class? Of course they are not vocal about it, and it is awkward to ask about, so it ends up being an invisible problem, which plays in the administration's favor because they don't have to address it aside from quietly funneling those unlucky 3Ls into their one-year postgrad fellowship.

In that 10% estimate I am not including diehard PI or gov people who did not pursue private sector employment and often have to wait longer to find postgrad employment. But honestly there aren't many of those types at CLS at the end of the day. Even if people came in with that intention, they changed their tune in droves by the time EIP rolled around.

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:52 pm

I know that such information is hard to come by. I know one person at my school who got 3L V-100, secondary market, without 2L SA. Does anyone have any anecdotal evidence as to what it takes to succeed on 3L OCI, other than luck, if you did not have 2L SA. Grades? Summer job? Anything?

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby lawisjust » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:24 pm

Hi guys, sorry to crash the party but didn't know where to post this...This message is for current Georgetown students. I'm at Upenn and preparing for the exams like everyone. Prof. Bratton (Corporations) left Georgetown for Upenn only last year so we don't have any of his past exams. Many people at Penn would be grateful if you could send PM us some of his past exams in Corporations/Business Associations...

Your help is greatly appreciated! Good luck for the finals!

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Re: 3L OCI Data at T14s

Postby bk1 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:26 pm

You already posted your question in its own thread, no need to repost it while necroing random threads.




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