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Study and not post in this forum. That's the best strategy.Chickensoup wrote:Recently got admitted to Cornell. It is my dream to one day work for Lowenstein Sandler. I not from NJ. I am from NY. I have worked in NJ for the past three summers. What kind of grades do I need to get an offer? What is my best strategy going forward so that I can get an offer there?
Yes, I enjoy working in NJ. Most of my extended family lives in NJ. My immediate family lives just above the border in NY. I definitely want to stay in the NY metro area, but I am not 100% sold on life in Manhattan. It seems a little hectic for me. I've always assumed Lowenstein Sandler was the best NJ firm that hires in large numbers. That's why I like it.keg411 wrote:For last year's OCI (the one before this past OCI), they gave a bunch of people pre-OCI CB's; they went to ether people with top tier grades (like top 3-5%) from the local schools or people with decent stats (around top 20-25%) from T14's with NJ ties.
My question is -- why is Lowenstein your dream firm? Is it just from working in NJ? If you've lived in NJ while working there, you can certainly play up how much you liked it and I would think that would be considered enough of a "tie".
Nah, I interviewed there last year and liked it. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think it was some lifestyle firm or anything like that. Also, I think your ties to NJ are definitely solid. Just focus on 1L and getting the best possible grades you can.Chickensoup wrote:Yes, I enjoy working in NJ. Most of my extended family lives in NJ. My immediate family lives just above the border in NY. I definitely want to stay in the NY metro area, but I am not 100% sold on life in Manhattan. It seems a little hectic for me. I've always assumed Lowenstein Sandler was the best NJ firm that hires in large numbers. That's why I like it.keg411 wrote:For last year's OCI (the one before this past OCI), they gave a bunch of people pre-OCI CB's; they went to ether people with top tier grades (like top 3-5%) from the local schools or people with decent stats (around top 20-25%) from T14's with NJ ties.
My question is -- why is Lowenstein your dream firm? Is it just from working in NJ? If you've lived in NJ while working there, you can certainly play up how much you liked it and I would think that would be considered enough of a "tie".
Any reasons why I shouldn't?
Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.
Add in Proskauer Newark and Pattons Boggs. Jersey offices of NY firms.Chickensoup wrote:Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.
You've named a bunch of the big ones, but there's alsoChickensoup wrote:Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.
I'm a little surprised that Cole Schotz is the only big firm in Bergen. So many people there, yet all the firms seem to be farther south.keg411 wrote:You've named a bunch of the big ones, but there's alsoChickensoup wrote:Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.
Sills Cummis & Gross (Newark)
Connell Foley (Roseland)
Archer & Grenier (Haddonfield)
Cole Schotz (Hackensack)
Bressler, Amery & Ross (Florham Park)
Greenbaum, Rowe, Smith & Davis (Woodbridge)
Gibbons (Newark)
Porzio, Bromberg & Newman (Morristown)
Wolff & Samson (West Orange)
Flaster Greenberg (Cherry Hill)
Stark & Stark (Lawrenceville)
De Cotiis Fitzpatrick (Teaneck)
Lerner David (Westfield)
But not all of these hire SA's. Some used to back in the day, but I'm pretty sure most hiring is now exclusively either through NJ clerkships or laterals.
There are also a bunch of firms that have offices in NJ, but aren't NJ firms.
Kelley Drye & Warren (Parsippany)
Latham (Newark)
Proskauer (Newark)
Patton Boggs (Newark)
Fox Rothschild (Roseland, etc.)
K&L Gates (Newark)
Drinker Biddle & Reath (Florham Park)
Reed Smith (Princeton)
Ballar Spahr (Cherry Hill)
Greenberg Traurig (Florham Park)
LeClairRyan (Newark)
Dechert (Princeton)
DLA Piper (Florham Park)
Morgan Lewis (Princeton)
SNR Denton (Short Hills)
It's farther south than Bergen. That's all I was saying.keg411 wrote:I would hardly call Essex County "south" in terms of NJ geography (it's definitely north NJ). But yes, Essex has far more "Regional Big/MidLaw" firms than Bergen does. Mostly because of Newark.
You are wrong. Lived in NJ my whole life, not on law review, but do attend a T14. I got a call back and took the call back. No offer yet, no rejection yet. But I am not hanging around waiting. I took an offer at a NYC firm about a month ago. Lowenstein's loss.Anonymous User wrote:This year, they called back, nearly universally, students with NJ ties who were on law review. Few took the callbacks. Those with less than stellar grades who interviewed with them got rejected. But after the students turned down the callbacks offered after the job fair, I know of people with ties to NJ, with much less than stellar grades, who mass mailed them and got a callback.
On another note, if you come here to Cornell, apply to them your first year. They will reject you, but if your grades are decent, let you skip a screener and come to the office instead.
keg411 wrote:You've named a bunch of the big ones, but there's alsoChickensoup wrote:Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.
Sills Cummis & Gross (Newark)
Connell Foley (Roseland)
Archer & Grenier (Haddonfield)
Cole Schotz (Hackensack)
Bressler, Amery & Ross (Florham Park)
Greenbaum, Rowe, Smith & Davis (Woodbridge)
Gibbons (Newark)
Porzio, Bromberg & Newman (Morristown)
Wolff & Samson (West Orange)
Flaster Greenberg (Cherry Hill)
Stark & Stark (Lawrenceville)
De Cotiis Fitzpatrick (Teaneck)
Lerner David (Westfield)
But not all of these hire SA's. Some used to back in the day, but I'm pretty sure most hiring is now exclusively either through NJ clerkships or laterals.
There are also a bunch of firms that have offices in NJ, but aren't NJ firms.
Kelley Drye & Warren (Parsippany)
Latham (Newark)
Proskauer (Newark)
Patton Boggs (Newark)
Fox Rothschild (Roseland, etc.)
K&L Gates (Newark)
Drinker Biddle & Reath (Florham Park)
Reed Smith (Princeton)
Ballar Spahr (Cherry Hill)
Greenberg Traurig (Florham Park)
LeClairRyan (Newark)
Dechert (Princeton)
DLA Piper (Florham Park)
Morgan Lewis (Princeton)
SNR Denton (Short Hills)
It isn't 100%SubmedianHomeskAlien wrote:Sorry to hijack this thread, but does anyone know what the offer rate is for SA's in Lowenstein's NJ office?
Also does anyone who's worked there know if 2L grades play a factor in whether or not an offer is extended? I'm probably going to end up getting penalized in several courses due to missing an obscene amount of classes from Aug-Oct due to job interviews. This may be irrational, but I'm afraid a flurry of sub-B+ grades could lead them to rethink extending an offer.