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Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Chickensoup » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:52 am

Recently got admitted to Cornell. It is my dream to one day work for Lowenstein Sandler. I not from NJ. I am from NY. I have worked in NJ for the past three summers. What kind of grades do I need to get an offer? What is my best strategy going forward so that I can get an offer there?

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Old Gregg » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:00 am

Chickensoup wrote:Recently got admitted to Cornell. It is my dream to one day work for Lowenstein Sandler. I not from NJ. I am from NY. I have worked in NJ for the past three summers. What kind of grades do I need to get an offer? What is my best strategy going forward so that I can get an offer there?


Study and not post in this forum. That's the best strategy.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby thegrayman » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:26 am

Your career services office should have information on what grades students needed to get cb's and offers in the past. Get to know your career services office well, they might end up saving your bacon 2L year.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby shock259 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:44 am

They recently opened up a NY office. I got an offer there without having any ties to NY or NJ.

Nice bunch of people.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Arbiter213 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:35 am

Median grades was all that was necessary for their NJ office.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:38 am

This year, they called back, nearly universally, students with NJ ties who were on law review. Few took the callbacks. Those with less than stellar grades who interviewed with them got rejected. But after the students turned down the callbacks offered after the job fair, I know of people with ties to NJ, with much less than stellar grades, who mass mailed them and got a callback.

On another note, if you come here to Cornell, apply to them your first year. They will reject you, but if your grades are decent, let you skip a screener and come to the office instead.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Arbiter213 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:39 am

^That's definitely the general trend, though I know of one person who got a callback and offer with no ties to NJ and median-ish grades.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby keg411 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:51 am

For last year's OCI (the one before this past OCI), they gave a bunch of people pre-OCI CB's; they went to ether people with top tier grades (like top 3-5%) from the local schools or people with decent stats (around top 20-25%) from T14's with NJ ties.

My question is -- why is Lowenstein your dream firm? Is it just from working in NJ? If you've lived in NJ while working there, you can certainly play up how much you liked it and I would think that would be considered enough of a "tie".

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby dolia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:30 am

I interviewed there many moons ago. The biggest hurdle you'll face is convincing them you'd actually work there, since a lot of people aiming for NY will interview there as a backup.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Chickensoup » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:56 am

keg411 wrote:For last year's OCI (the one before this past OCI), they gave a bunch of people pre-OCI CB's; they went to ether people with top tier grades (like top 3-5%) from the local schools or people with decent stats (around top 20-25%) from T14's with NJ ties.

My question is -- why is Lowenstein your dream firm? Is it just from working in NJ? If you've lived in NJ while working there, you can certainly play up how much you liked it and I would think that would be considered enough of a "tie".


Yes, I enjoy working in NJ. Most of my extended family lives in NJ. My immediate family lives just above the border in NY. I definitely want to stay in the NY metro area, but I am not 100% sold on life in Manhattan. It seems a little hectic for me. I've always assumed Lowenstein Sandler was the best NJ firm that hires in large numbers. That's why I like it.

Any reasons why I shouldn't?

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby keg411 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:06 pm

Chickensoup wrote:
keg411 wrote:For last year's OCI (the one before this past OCI), they gave a bunch of people pre-OCI CB's; they went to ether people with top tier grades (like top 3-5%) from the local schools or people with decent stats (around top 20-25%) from T14's with NJ ties.

My question is -- why is Lowenstein your dream firm? Is it just from working in NJ? If you've lived in NJ while working there, you can certainly play up how much you liked it and I would think that would be considered enough of a "tie".


Yes, I enjoy working in NJ. Most of my extended family lives in NJ. My immediate family lives just above the border in NY. I definitely want to stay in the NY metro area, but I am not 100% sold on life in Manhattan. It seems a little hectic for me. I've always assumed Lowenstein Sandler was the best NJ firm that hires in large numbers. That's why I like it.

Any reasons why I shouldn't?


Nah, I interviewed there last year and liked it. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think it was some lifestyle firm or anything like that. Also, I think your ties to NJ are definitely solid. Just focus on 1L and getting the best possible grades you can.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Huluba » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:34 pm

If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Chickensoup » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:10 pm

Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.


Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Huluba » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:15 pm

Chickensoup wrote:
Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.


Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?


Add in Proskauer Newark and Pattons Boggs. Jersey offices of NY firms.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby keg411 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:37 pm

Chickensoup wrote:
Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.


Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?


You've named a bunch of the big ones, but there's also
Sills Cummis & Gross (Newark)
Connell Foley (Roseland)
Archer & Grenier (Haddonfield)
Cole Schotz (Hackensack)
Bressler, Amery & Ross (Florham Park)
Greenbaum, Rowe, Smith & Davis (Woodbridge)
Gibbons (Newark)
Porzio, Bromberg & Newman (Morristown)
Wolff & Samson (West Orange)
Flaster Greenberg (Cherry Hill)
Stark & Stark (Lawrenceville)
De Cotiis Fitzpatrick (Teaneck)
Lerner David (Westfield)

But not all of these hire SA's. Some used to back in the day, but I'm pretty sure most hiring is now exclusively either through NJ clerkships or laterals.

There are also a bunch of firms that have offices in NJ, but aren't NJ firms.
Kelley Drye & Warren (Parsippany)
Latham (Newark)
Proskauer (Newark)
Patton Boggs (Newark)
Fox Rothschild (Roseland, etc.)
K&L Gates (Newark)
Drinker Biddle & Reath (Florham Park)
Reed Smith (Princeton)
Ballar Spahr (Cherry Hill)
Greenberg Traurig (Florham Park)
LeClairRyan (Newark)
Dechert (Princeton)
DLA Piper (Florham Park)
Morgan Lewis (Princeton)
SNR Denton (Short Hills)

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Chickensoup » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:28 pm

keg411 wrote:
Chickensoup wrote:
Huluba wrote:If Jersey is what you want, there are a lot of great firms there just in case you don't get Lowenstein.


Yeah, I know there are a few good ones in Morristown too. Riker Danzig, McElroy Deutsch, Day Pitney come to mind. I know some people at McCarter & English, Wilentz, and NMM as well. How would you compare these firms? Anyone care to give me the rundown on NJ biglaw?


You've named a bunch of the big ones, but there's also
Sills Cummis & Gross (Newark)
Connell Foley (Roseland)
Archer & Grenier (Haddonfield)
Cole Schotz (Hackensack)
Bressler, Amery & Ross (Florham Park)
Greenbaum, Rowe, Smith & Davis (Woodbridge)
Gibbons (Newark)
Porzio, Bromberg & Newman (Morristown)
Wolff & Samson (West Orange)
Flaster Greenberg (Cherry Hill)
Stark & Stark (Lawrenceville)
De Cotiis Fitzpatrick (Teaneck)
Lerner David (Westfield)

But not all of these hire SA's. Some used to back in the day, but I'm pretty sure most hiring is now exclusively either through NJ clerkships or laterals.

There are also a bunch of firms that have offices in NJ, but aren't NJ firms.
Kelley Drye & Warren (Parsippany)
Latham (Newark)
Proskauer (Newark)
Patton Boggs (Newark)
Fox Rothschild (Roseland, etc.)
K&L Gates (Newark)
Drinker Biddle & Reath (Florham Park)
Reed Smith (Princeton)
Ballar Spahr (Cherry Hill)
Greenberg Traurig (Florham Park)
LeClairRyan (Newark)
Dechert (Princeton)
DLA Piper (Florham Park)
Morgan Lewis (Princeton)
SNR Denton (Short Hills)


I'm a little surprised that Cole Schotz is the only big firm in Bergen. So many people there, yet all the firms seem to be farther south.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby keg411 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:38 pm

I would hardly call Essex County "south" in terms of NJ geography (it's definitely north NJ). But yes, Essex has far more "Regional Big/MidLaw" firms than Bergen does. Mostly because of Newark.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Chickensoup » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:05 pm

keg411 wrote:I would hardly call Essex County "south" in terms of NJ geography (it's definitely north NJ). But yes, Essex has far more "Regional Big/MidLaw" firms than Bergen does. Mostly because of Newark.


It's farther south than Bergen. That's all I was saying.

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Re: Lowenstein Sandler

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:This year, they called back, nearly universally, students with NJ ties who were on law review. Few took the callbacks. Those with less than stellar grades who interviewed with them got rejected. But after the students turned down the callbacks offered after the job fair, I know of people with ties to NJ, with much less than stellar grades, who mass mailed them and got a callback.

On another note, if you come here to Cornell, apply to them your first year. They will reject you, but if your grades are decent, let you skip a screener and come to the office instead.


You are wrong. Lived in NJ my whole life, not on law review, but do attend a T14. I got a call back and took the call back. No offer yet, no rejection yet. But I am not hanging around waiting. I took an offer at a NYC firm about a month ago. Lowenstein's loss.




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