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Which is the best all-around markets in which to start a legal career (pick three)

Washington, D.C.
21
16%
Atlanta
6
5%
Houston
18
14%
Dallas
19
14%
Austin
15
11%
Seattle
7
5%
Phoenix
4
3%
San Diego
8
6%
Other
34
26%
 
Total votes: 132

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Best all-around markets in which to start legal career, etc.

Postby PDaddy » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:25 pm

What are they and why? Take into account every potentially important factor that affects quality of life, including schools, housing prices, overall cost of living, transportation, crime rates, health care, weather, entertainment options, etc. Also, take into account the ease of breaking into the market.

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Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:45 pm

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Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:50 pm

Egregious error here in failing to include Los Angeles.

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Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
PDaddy wrote:What are they and why? Take into account every potentially important factor that affects quality of life, including schools, housing prices, overall cost of living, transportation, crime rates, health care, weather, entertainment options, etc. Also, take into account the ease of breaking into the market.


This should make people reconsider their Austin votes.

EDIT: accidental anon; utlaw2014


I ignored that factor, since I think it's a bit silly to include when judging desirability. Austin is incredibly desirable place to be for a lot of people...thus, that + it being a small market makes it really hard to break into.

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Postby clintonius » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:52 pm

Your list has Phoenix but not New York, Chicago, or LA? I don't even

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Postby exitoptions » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:15 pm

clintonius wrote:Your list has Phoenix but not New York, Chicago, or LA? I don't even


Best secondary market....

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Postby JamMasterJ » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:17 pm

Since NY and DC are the only markets that you can really break into w/o ties, aren't they necessarily the only two options?

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Postby clintonius » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:17 pm

exitoptions wrote:
clintonius wrote:Your list has Phoenix but not New York, Chicago, or LA? I don't even


Best secondary market....
I suppose, but I've never heard DC referred to as secondary, and "all-around" is pretty different from "secondary."

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Postby PDaddy » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:23 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Egregious error here in failing to include Los Angeles.


L.A. can be included in "other", but I purposely left out the usual suspects (NY, S.F./Bay, Boston, Chicago, etc.) because I am looking at "all-around" quality of life as a 1A, and not just the best places to start work.

What if you're already married with at least one kid? Is L.A. still a good option? It could be, and some people might opine that it is. That's why this is fun to debate.

They could be good options, but would most people consider those places to be good options? Having a family could make certain markets easier to break into, because employers might assume that you want roots.

Even if you don't already have kids, there are lots of factors to consider. it's a worthy debate.

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Postby ph14 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:29 pm

User has been outed. This is not a proper use of the anonymous feature. Also, poster is an objectively terrible person for not using resized imgur pics.

PDaddy wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Egregious error here in failing to include Los Angeles.


L.A. can be included in "other", but I purposely left out the usual suspects because I am looking at "all-around" quality of life as a 1A, and not just the best places to start work.

What if you're already married with at least one kid? is L.A. still a good option? What about NY, S.F./Bay, Boston or Chicago? They could be good options, but would most people consider those places to be good options?

Even if you don't already have kids, there are lots of factors to consider.


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Postby ChiefPresidentTaft » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:47 pm

What is this? God there have been some stupid threads lately.

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Postby Sea Urchin Ceviche » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:49 pm

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Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:26 am

It depends on what you want. LA is the best place overall, it's beautiful, the lifestyle is incredible, but it's very very expensive and spread out, plus it's in a state run by crazy people so taxes will go up and up as will problems. However, it's still worth it. Austin, on the other hand, is the best value place to live, you are a king/queen if you make over $100k a year, there's a lot going on, a lot of growth, etc but it's not LA and never will be.

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Postby jessuf » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:10 pm

lol @ the mod comment.

Aren't all of those cities flawed on at least two levels when considering "schools, housing prices, overall cost of living, transportation, crime rates, health care, weather, entertainment options?"

You should figure out what is most important from that list. If you're mostly concerned with family-friendly cities in general, I vote San Diego, but it is insanely expensive.

Edit: I also picked DC but would recommend families live in VA.

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Postby Rhidan » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:51 pm

PDaddy wrote:
because I am looking at "all-around" quality of life as a 1A, and not just the best places to start work.


If the only question is QOL, then the answer is Denver.

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Postby zonto » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:05 pm

You should add Boston to the list.

Great schools, great public transportation, very low crime in the suburbs, great hospitals, four seasons (though the humidity, literally, bites in winter), and awesome historical/cultural sites. Great sports scene too. Housing prices are tough to swallow, but they are nowhere near NY/LA/DC levels in many areas from what I've been told.

As for ease of breaking into the market, I moved here last year from Utah and have done just fine.

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Postby Ruxin1 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:06 pm

zonto wrote:You should add Boston to the list.

Great schools, great public transportation, very low crime in the suburbs, great hospitals, four seasons (though the humidity, literally, bites in winter), and awesome historical/cultural sites. Great sports scene too. Housing prices are tough to swallow, but they are nowhere near NY/LA/DC levels in many areas from what I've been told.

As for ease of breaking into the market, I moved here last year from Utah and have done just fine.


How great are your grades

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Postby paintbynumbers » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:28 pm

Front cover of National Jurist
The Best Cities for Young Attorneys
1. DC
2. ATL
3. Boston
4. Denver
5. Dallas
6. Seattle
7. Chi-town
8. San Fran
9. Minneapolis
10. Houston

Based on salary/buying power/%of young people/% of pop w/ legal occupations/# of firms/culture/billable hours

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Postby romothesavior » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:31 pm

paintbynumbers wrote:Front cover of National Jurist
The Best Cities for Young Attorneys
1. DC
2. ATL
3. Boston
4. Denver
5. Dallas
6. Seattle
7. Chi-town
8. San Fran
9. Minneapolis
10. Houston

Based on salary/buying power/%of young people/% of pop w/ legal occupations/# of firms/culture/billable hours

To be fair, the National Juristtt is the biggest TTT rag of all time.

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Postby paintbynumbers » Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:09 pm

romothesavior wrote:
paintbynumbers wrote:Front cover of National Jurist
The Best Cities for Young Attorneys
1. DC
2. ATL
3. Boston
4. Denver
5. Dallas
6. Seattle
7. Chi-town
8. San Fran
9. Minneapolis
10. Houston

Based on salary/buying power/%of young people/% of pop w/ legal occupations/# of firms/culture/billable hours

To be fair, the National Juristtt is the biggest TTT rag of all time.


1l here. Damn is that why they give it out for free at my law school?

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Postby HeavenWood » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:19 am

JamMasterJ wrote:Since NY and DC are the only markets that you can really break into w/o ties, aren't they necessarily the only two options?

And even in DC, ties help significantly.

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Postby usfvictor » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:37 am

Any MAJOR(i.e. using this term subjectively) market in FL.

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Postby bk1 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:17 pm

2 most surprising things about this thread:

1. pdaddy is the OP and the thread is shit.
2. The answer to the question is subjective.

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Postby 071816 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:20 pm

Long live PDaddy and his excellence.




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