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Can we get some sort of numerical comparison with last year?

manofjustice wrote:Can we get some sort of numerical comparison with last year?

I'll be compiling the stats into more useful groupings in a few months once most people have completed the process.

School: HYS
Market(s): Boston, DC, and one of ATL/SF/LA/CHI
Approximate class rank: below median, around bottom third
Law review: Secondary
Work experience: About a year
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? diversity, very good interviewer
Screening Interviews: 30
Callbacks received: 16
Callbacks accepted: 10
Offers w/ vault ranges: 4 offers (vault irrelevant since I didn't do NYC.. all paid market), 2 post-cb dings
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? I ended my process early so never heard back from 4 places post-cb
Accepted: V25 just for reference
Thank-you notes sent: Maybe 3. Sent them early on but stopped.
Notes: Echoing others, Vault rankings are meaningless outside of NYC. Most of my offers were superior to any V10 options in that market.

School: T50
Market(s): The state the school is located.
Approximate class rank: 15%
Law review: Secondary Journal
Work experience: Decent WE during undergrad.
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? No.
Screening Interviews: 20
Callbacks received: 6
Callbacks accepted: 3
Offers w/ vault ranges: 1 non-vault, NLJ 250.
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? I didn't hear from several, but I stopped looking once I got the offer from my #1 choice.
Accepted: NLJ 250
Thank-you notes sent: Sent to most of the screeners and CB interviewers. I think it helped somewhat. I think they matter more outside the big cities.
Notes: Firms are slow to get back to you here. The timing is different than what I expected after reading TLS.

School: HYS
Market(s): DC (primary), SF/SV
Approximate class rank: Top 5-10%
Law review: Secondary Journal
Work experience: One year of non-impressive WE.
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? 1L SA
Screening Interviews: 16
Callbacks received: 10
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers w/ vault ranges: 5 offers: 1 V5, 2 V25, 2 V50. On the regional Vault rankings, which are probably more useful for D.C., 3 of the top 6 and two less prestigious firms with good litigation departments.
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? 2, but I suppose the cycle isn't completely over for my school.
Accepted: V25.
Thank-you notes sent: Not for screeners. Many but not all callbacks--I wouldn't send one if I really had nothing good to say, and I got lazier toward the end.
Notes: White male. Enthusiasm and ties mattered a lot. I had a difficult time convincing Bay Area firms I actually wanted to be there, and did more poorly in SF/SV than classmates with much lower grades. Overall at my school, grades were important but not as determinative as some think: the most selective firms mostly seemed to be looking within the top quarter or so for good personality fits or other criteria, rather than exclusively calling back/hiring those at the tip-top of the class.

bk187 wrote:

manofjustice wrote:Can we get some sort of numerical comparison with last year?

I'll be compiling the stats into more useful groupings in a few months once most people have completed the process.

Thanks!

School: Lower T14
Market(s): NYC
Approximate class rank: Below median
Law review: Secondary journal
Work experience: Yes
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? URM, good interviewer
Screening Interviews: 18
Mass mail Interviews: 0
Callbacks received: 3
Callbacks accepted: 2
Offers w/vault ranges: 1 V50
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? 7 (withdrew after receiving my offer)
Thank-you notes sent: 6 (all for the firm I received an offer from)

School: Lower T14
Market(s): NYC
Approximate class rank: Probably top half
Law review: Secondary Journal
Work experience: Not really
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? 1L Firm job at a decent regional firm
Screening Interviews: 24 (18 NYC, 6 Boston)
Callbacks received: 8
Callbacks accepted: 6
Offers w/ vault ranges: 3 (V20, V20, V40)
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? None that I can think of, though some took 6 weeks to reject me
Accepted: V40 (top choice)
Thank-you notes sent: Sent to all screeners, and some cb firms
Notes: Non-URM minority male

School: HYS (transfer from T30)
Market(s): NYC & LA
Approximate class rank: Top 5% at T30
Law review: At T30
Work experience: About 4 years
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? LGBT; I think I interview well; from NYC; worked in LA
Screening Interviews: 29
Callbacks received: 16
Callbacks accepted: 11
Offers w/ vault ranges: 8 offers (1 V5, 1 V10, 2 V15, 1 V25, 1 V80, 1 V100, 1 mid-sized not ranked)
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? All got back. Caveat to above--the V100 is a very small office w/ hardly any SAs. They took a while and got back to me after I accepted an offer seeing if I would take an offer in a certain department. I'll take that as an offer.
Accepted: V25
Thank-you notes sent: Sent to all interviewers for seven firms. Others I didn't send to b/c of laziness or really quick responses (same or next day). I got four offers w/ no thank you letters, and I got rejected from three firms with thank you letters. Seems to me there is no correlation.

School: CCN
Market(s): NYC, CA, Asia
Approximate class rank: Top 40%
Law Review: Secondary Journal
Work Experience: None, straight through
IP Background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? Fluent in an Asian language
Screening Interviews: 23
Callbacks received: 6
Callbacks accepted 6
Offers w/ vault ranges: 1 offer (v20)
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? Half my screeners never got back to me. The 5 non-offer callbacks were all confirmed dings. (Was sweating bullets at the end there because my offer was my last shot!)
Thank-you notes sent: Only sent to callback interviewers. Typically were short and included one or two anecdotes from the interview.

School: T30 - 40
Market(s): National
Approximate class rank: Below-Median
Law review: God no
Work experience: About 5+
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact?
Screening Interviews: 30
Callbacks received: 2
Callbacks accepted: 2
Offers w/ vault ranges: Could care less about Vault. Just what a firm job.
Accepted: Waiting.....
Thank-you notes sent: To every firm. Messed up two thank-you notes and had the wrong employer. Oops.

School: T40-50
Market(s): The state the school is located.
Approximate class rank: Top 1%
Law review: Yes
Work experience:No.
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? Varsity Athletics. International athletic experience.
Screening Interviews: 16
Callbacks received: 8
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers w/ vault ranges: 1 non-Vault, 2 V25, 2 V50
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? A couple. Most rejected me shortly after screeners if they didn't want to callback.
Accepted: V50-60
Thank-you notes sent: Sent to all post callback. I did handwritten stationary thank yous.
Notes: Firms were a bit slow. I was given a time pressured offer that resulted in the additional offers. I did not hear back from two of the firms. They asked if I could get an extension, but I didn't feel comfortable asking for an extension from one of the firms that was quick to respond because of the time pressure.

School: MVP
Market(s): NYC, but I mostly focused on 4 secondary markets
Approximate class rank: Median-ish
Law review: No; Secondary Journal
Work experience: Nothing substantial
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? Publication
Screening Interviews: 40+
Callbacks received: 7 (all secondary markets)
Callbacks accepted: 4 (the last 3 occurred after I accepted an offer)
Offers w/ vault ranges: 1 V100; 1 non-Vault; withdrew from consideration for the other 2
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? A couple post screener.
Accepted: Non-Vault
Thank-you notes sent: Sent to all post callback. Email.
Notes: Firms were slow. My first offer came close to a month after my CB. I was given a time pressured offer that resulted in the additional offer after following-up with the other firm.

School: UT/Vandy
Market(s): NYC; law school's market, which is my home market
Approximate class rank: ~median
Law review: No (and no secondary journal)
Work experience: K-JD, but good WE during undergrad
IP background: No, but the firm I ended up at does exclusively IP
Anything else that might have an impact? I was able to convince the IP firm that I can handle the work (I have substantial science/healthcare coursework on my UG resume)
Screening Interviews: 7
Mass Mail Interviews: 1
Callbacks received: 1
Callbacks accepted: 1
Offers w/ vault ranges: 1 (NLJ250)
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? 0; only 1 callback
Accepted: NLJ250
Thank-you notes sent: Sent one to every person who interviewed me during the CB, plus the recruiting coordinator

BTW: people can stop responding anonymously since the results are now open.

School: T25
Market(s): Texas
Approximate class rank: top 25%
Law review: No (but Moot Court...fuck journals)
Work experience: K-JD, but good WE during undergrad
IP background: None
Anything else that might have an impact? Good interviewer. Very interesting work experience (good government work...think CIA/Department of Defense). Also, had a 1L SA at a V100.
Screening Interviews at school: 3 (pretty much skipped OCI to do interviews through mass mail)
Mass Mail Interviews/Call Backs: 9
Callbacks accepted: 9 (all through mass mailing)
Offers w/ vault ranges: None (2 within NLJ 250)
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? 0; still waiting on 1 though
Accepted: NLJ250
Thank-you notes sent: None

School: MVP
Market(s): NYC
Approximate class rank: Top 10-15%
Law review: No; Secondary Journal
Work experience: One year off - nothing substantial
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? D1 athlete
Screening Interviews: 25
Callbacks received: 15
Callbacks accepted: 8
Offers w/ vault ranges: 1 V3; 3 V15; 1 boutique
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? None
Accepted: V15
Thank-you notes sent: Half of those that I received offers - figured it's really not that important

Looks like a few people, even at lower T14, below or at median did pretty well. That is good to see

School: CCN
Market(s): Chicago/DC/NYC
Approximate class rank: median
Law review: haha no
Work experience: 2 yrs
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? good interviewer/soft skills
Screening Interviews: 28
Callbacks received: 14
Callbacks accepted: 14 (canceled one later)
Post-CB rejections: 1
Offers w/ vault ranges: 8 - V5, V30, V50, 2 V100, 2 NLJ250, and one boutique
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? accepted V5, so withdrew from 5 post-CB; never heard from 5 screeners
Accepted: V5
Thank-you notes sent: only for first CB, then stopped

School: CCN
Market(s): Chicago/DC/NYC
Approximate class rank: ~top 40%
Law review: hellz no; secondary
Work experience: 0 yrs
IP background: No
Anything else that might have an impact? dual degree
Screening Interviews: 29
Callbacks received: 12
Callbacks accepted: 12 (but only went through with 4)
Post-CB rejections: 2
Offers w/ vault ranges: 2- v5 and v50
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? went 2/4 in callbacks and cancelled the other 8, heard back from probably everyone overall
Accepted: V5
Thank-you notes sent: did not do any

School: T100
Market(s): Midwest & Southwest
Approximate class rank: Top 2%
Law review: Flagship & Published/Cited
Work experience: Near C-level experience
IP background: No, but UG allows me to sit for Patent Bar
Anything else that might have an impact? T25 UG, interview well
Screening Interviews: 11 OCI, 2 Mass Mail, 2 Resume Collect
Callbacks received: 3
Callbacks accepted: 3 (V100, NLJ250, mid-size midwestern)
Offers w/ vault ranges: 2 offers - NLJ 250, mid-size midwestern
How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? Only a few - I mass mailed over 100.
Accepted: NLJ250
Thank-you notes sent: To some, but not all. Focused TYs are better than crop dusting.

What is meant by lower T14? 10-14, or 7-14 or. . .

Anonymous User wrote:What is meant by lower T14? 10-14, or 7-14 or. . .

It can mean either. I usually mean 7-14. In any case, it probably doesn't matter (MVP aren't generally any better than DCNG though an argument can be made for either P or G being a bit different).

School: TTT
Rank: Top 7%
Target Markets: NYC (primary), Seattle
WE: 2yr + professional certification
IP: No
Law Review: Yes
Mass Mail Applications: ~200
CBs offered from mass mail: 4
OCI Screener Interviews offered: 10
OCI Screeners Accepted: 10
CB from OCI: 2
Total CB offered: 6
CB Accepted: 6 (V5, V10, V80, 2 V100, 1 NLJ 250)
Dings (post CB): 3
Offers: 1 (NLJ 250)
Accepted: Pending (still waiting to hear back from 2)
Notes: Good interviewer, unique background, interesting WE.
Thank You Notes: Would usually send a few to people I connected with, or until I got sick of writing them.

cycle is just about over, will update again once completely over

School: CCN
Rank: bottom 1/3
Target Markets: NYC, CA
WE: 4 years big4 accounting, CPA
Journal: Seconday
IP: No
Sex: Male
URM: Yes, MA
Mass Mail Applications: ~100 targeted
Mass Mail Screeners: 2
CBs offered from mass mail: 0
OCI Screener Interviews offered: 39
OCI Screeners Accepted: 39
CB from OCI: 12 (all NY firms)
Total CB offered: 12 (V30 - NLJ 250)
CB Accepted: 12
Dings (post CB): 4 so far (will update as more results come in)
Offers: 2 NLJ 250
Accepted: NLJ 250
Thank you notes: Yes for every CB except last one. Got offer from 1 firm that I sent letters, 1 that I didn't.
Other: I have very strong interviewing skills. I did as many mock interviews as I could get my hands on, and all gave me very positive feedback. I think I did something like 5 mock interviews in total. So, while you can outperform your grades, they are still a factor for sure in my anecdotal experience.

I feel that my WE was a huge factor, I spent the majority of all my interviews discussing working at a big4 firm (interviewers asking me questions about it, not me trying to force it into the conversation). So if you have WE, I would make sure to sell the hell out of it, you are bringing something to the table that others aren't.