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The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:00 pm
by TTH
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To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears."

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rad lulz wrote:There is no 3L hiring "season." 3L job search possibilities look like this

1) 3L OCI - HAHAURFUCKED

2) Mass mail - low return for even the minimal amount of time it takes to research/mail merge due to the fact that the firms you mail must want to hire and want to hire AT THE TIME you mail and often they are looking to fill a specific practice need

3) Networking - hope you got on that sometime over the past few years

4) Symplicity - low response rate but better than mass mailing because those firms are ACTUALLY hiring when you submit your resume.

5) Whatever your CSO can scrounge up for you - probably nothing

6) Small firm or govt you clerk/intern for during the year - decent option if you can do this; those places may want to hire you or know people who will

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:22 pm
by LawIdiot86
TTH wrote:ITT we share stories from the 3L jerb hustle. I'll start.

Very dramatic swing in emotions just now. I got a call from a phone number I didn't recognize in my area code.

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It was my pharmacy.

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Who here hasn't seen a number they didn't recognized, answered with their professional voice "Hello, this is name" and had a friend be like "why are you talking so weird, my phone died and I was trying to reach you on this number."

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:42 pm
by nevdash
Anyone else seriously weighed the pros and cons of shitlaw vs. suicide?

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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:50 pm
by Myself
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Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:55 pm
by Perseus_I
nevdash wrote:Anyone else seriously weighed the pros and cons of shitlaw vs. suicide?


I think it's probably better to work retail than to work in shitlaw. Better pay, better hours, and more upward potential.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:00 pm
by TTH
Perseus_I wrote:
nevdash wrote:Anyone else seriously weighed the pros and cons of shitlaw vs. suicide?


I think it's probably better to work retail than to work in shitlaw. Better pay, better hours, and more upward potential.


You're probably gonna have a hard time pulling down BIGRETAIL with all your credentials.

I guess it would all depend on the flavor of the shitlaw. Low-end insurance defense or doc review is always going to be a grind with no end in sight. At least with plaintiff's work, you'll always have the dream of landing the right client and cashing in.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:05 pm
by BarbellDreams
Really depends on what shitlaw we're talking about. I've seen shitlaw where the pay is 40k but everyone goes home at 5 and work no more than 50 hour weeks. And then I have seen hell.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:47 pm
by RickyDnwhyc
o_O

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:59 pm
by Ikki
RickyDnwhyc wrote:40k? I'm working 40 hours for 35k... as a paralegal... out of undergrad... with no work experience.

I didn't even interview for this position.

I really feel for you guys. I am terrified of going to law school to end up making less money than most litigation paralegals (some make upwards of 55k with 1 year WE, Sr. paralegals are making 75k, some even hit six figures)...

And then when I see "JDs don't bother applying" in the job description my heart really sinks :(


Banhammer, please.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:17 pm
by TTH

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:23 pm
by Aqualibrium
The 4L job hunt is worse...

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:22 pm
by TTH
So, how's all my bros doing?

I'm still in the wind, although I had a promising interview last week. I'm starting to slow down on my hustle and am really only applying to stuff that comes up on Symplicity or that I get tipped off to. I figure that anyone who was looking to hire in the fall has already called who they were gonna call.


Failing all this, how about we all get together, move to some TTT jurisdiction, and open a plaintiff's firm? I'd look okay on a phonebook.

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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:34 am
by Myself
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Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:52 am
by prezidentv8
Aqualibrium wrote:The 4L job hunt is worse...


LOL yep.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:54 am
by rad lulz
TTH wrote:So, how's all my bros doing?

I'm still in the wind, although I had a promising interview last week. I'm starting to slow down on my hustle and am really only applying to stuff that comes up on Symplicity or that I get tipped off to. I figure that anyone who was looking to hire in the fall has already called who they were gonna call.


Failing all this, how about we all get together, move to some TTT jurisdiction, and open a plaintiff's firm? I'd look okay on a phonebook.

Naw I think I'll flee the country or at the very least become a vagrant here.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:10 am
by TTH
rad lulz wrote:
TTH wrote:So, how's all my bros doing?

I'm still in the wind, although I had a promising interview last week. I'm starting to slow down on my hustle and am really only applying to stuff that comes up on Symplicity or that I get tipped off to. I figure that anyone who was looking to hire in the fall has already called who they were gonna call.


Failing all this, how about we all get together, move to some TTT jurisdiction, and open a plaintiff's firm? I'd look okay on a phonebook.

Naw I think I'll flee the country or at the very least become a vagrant here.


How bout this? Let's move to a popular tourist town in Mexico and start a practice that really just consists of using bribe money and connections to get tourists bailed out of jail and on a plane out of the country.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:39 am
by rad lulz
TTH wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
TTH wrote:So, how's all my bros doing?

I'm still in the wind, although I had a promising interview last week. I'm starting to slow down on my hustle and am really only applying to stuff that comes up on Symplicity or that I get tipped off to. I figure that anyone who was looking to hire in the fall has already called who they were gonna call.


Failing all this, how about we all get together, move to some TTT jurisdiction, and open a plaintiff's firm? I'd look okay on a phonebook.

Naw I think I'll flee the country or at the very least become a vagrant here.


How bout this? Let's move to a popular tourist town in Mexico and start a practice that really just consists of using bribe money and connections to get tourists bailed out of jail and on a plane out of the country.

Check you FCPA bro. Sucks.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:14 pm
by TTH
rad lulz wrote:Check you FCPA bro. Sucks.


FCPA don't mean shit when you're already expat'ing to dodge student loan creditors.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:17 pm
by Anonymous User
does anyone else just want to not practice law? i hate the practice and the people...so i'm also in tears over the fact that not only do I not have a job, I am stuck in a field I hate ...without a job. what a mess

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:24 pm
by RickyDnwhyc
Anonymous User wrote:does anyone else just want to not practice law? i hate the practice and the people...so i'm also in tears over the fact that not only do I not have a job, I am stuck in a field I hate ...without a job. what a mess


Got any tips on how to figure this out BEFORE attending Law School? I'd really appreciate it.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:32 pm
by IAFG
Sorry, never mind.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:34 pm
by Anonymous User
@RickyDnwhyc spend a week with a practitioner - those informational interviews that you ask what they do and they answer at how glam the life is...they don't count.

You spent every day with snotty, jerk people obsessed with prestige, billables, or benefits (govt. ppl) and all you do is stay in front of a computer and type long-winded memos no one reads. That's it...that's your life. Computer, reading law and cases that bore you to tears, and small breaks to interact with terrible people. You make no difference in the world and to reach that point of making a difference, you should have been born in a better economy or have years of experience.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:36 pm
by RickyDnwhyc
IAFG wrote:
RickyDnwhyc wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:does anyone else just want to not practice law? i hate the practice and the people...so i'm also in tears over the fact that not only do I not have a job, I am stuck in a field I hate ...without a job. what a mess


Got any tips on how to figure this out BEFORE attending Law School? I'd really appreciate it.

You could be sure it doesn't happen to you by killing yourself now.


Would I go to Heaven? Would there be models? Bottles perhaps?

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:44 pm
by AllTheLawz
Anonymous User wrote:@RickyDnwhyc spend a week with a practitioner - those informational interviews that you ask what they do and they answer at how glam the life is...they don't count.

You spent every day with snotty, jerk people obsessed with prestige, billables, or benefits (govt. ppl) and all you do is stay in front of a computer and type long-winded memos no one reads. That's it...that's your life. Computer, reading law and cases that bore you to tears, and small breaks to interact with terrible people. You make no difference in the world and to reach that point of making a difference, you should have been born in a better economy or have years of experience.


Sounds like you just hate 85%+ of the jobs in America.. shouldve been shooting for a pop star/athlete/reality host gig.

Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:45 pm
by RickyDnwhyc
Anonymous User wrote:@RickyDnwhyc spend a week with a practitioner - those informational interviews that you ask what they do and they answer at how glam the life is...they don't count.

You spent every day with snotty, jerk people obsessed with prestige, billables, or benefits (govt. ppl) and all you do is stay in front of a computer and type long-winded memos no one reads. That's it...that's your life. Computer, reading law and cases that bore you to tears, and small breaks to interact with terrible people. You make no difference in the world and to reach that point of making a difference, you should have been born in a better economy or have years of experience.


That sounds exclusive to BigLaw though. What happened to stomaching it for 3-5 years and then LOLEXITOPTIONS? (lolitboutiques, lolmidlaw, lolinhouse, etc)

Unfortunately I don't know any practitioners well enough :(

Currently a para-paper-slave in a large PI mill in NYC, no one really looks miserable, sort of gives me hope, though I don't know how much weeping goes on behind closed doors.