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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby 3|ink » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Can somebody give me some advice on this.

I recently graduated law school (and am unemployed) and my school allows one retroactive pass-fail option which I haven't used. I could use it on my lowest grade during my last semester (which was a B) and that would inflate my overall cumulative GPA a tiny bit (3.279ish to 3.294).

Is it worth it to do this? I'm guessing no. Because employers will probably be able to tell the grade was retroactively changed and will maybe assume the grade was worse than it was. And the bump in GPA is negligible. But then again, 3.29 is a lot closer to 3.3 than 3.279.

But I have to decide soon so please somebody give me some advice since the school itself is worthless when it comes to giving advice about this.

I would definitely do it.

Can I ask which school? I wish mind did because that would make a huge difference for me. I got a B my last semester that really dragged me down.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby JenDarby » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:16 pm

I would only do it if your transcript did not show that it was retroactively changed. The small GPA boost isn't worth your transcript making it look like you received something worse than a B, which IMO is how it would look if the transcript indicated a change.

You're close to a 3.3 either way and neither of those GPAs are bad unless your school is particularly known for grade inflation or something. Does your school require you use three decimal place rounding conventions? Rounding to 3.28 doesn't seem problematic otherwise.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby sparty99 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:26 am

You are stupid for even asking the question. There is nothing to discuss. Have a higher gpa or lower. Hmmm. Such a hard choice.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:31 am

sparty99 wrote:You are stupid for even asking the question. There is nothing to discuss. Have a higher gpa or lower. Hmmm. Such a hard choice.

You're not supposed to post in this thread, sparty. Calling people stupid is not the way to get let back in.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby shredderrrrrr » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:35 am

Anonymous User wrote:Can somebody give me some advice on this.

I recently graduated law school (and am unemployed) and my school allows one retroactive pass-fail option which I haven't used. I could use it on my lowest grade during my last semester (which was a B) and that would inflate my overall cumulative GPA a tiny bit (3.279ish to 3.294).

Is it worth it to do this? I'm guessing no. Because employers will probably be able to tell the grade was retroactively changed and will maybe assume the grade was worse than it was. And the bump in GPA is negligible. But then again, 3.29 is a lot closer to 3.3 than 3.279.

But I have to decide soon so please somebody give me some advice since the school itself is worthless when it comes to giving advice about this.


As an aside, why are you currently listing your GPA as 3.279 and not 3.28? Virtually every GPA I've seen has been rounded to the nearest hundredth. Not only does listing it to the thousandth look odd (to me at least), it needlessly makes your GPA look worse!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby El Pollito » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:47 am

retroactively P/Fing a class is a horrible idea if it will be apparent to employers, as JD said

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby AreJay711 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:18 pm

At Michigan we did retroactive pass/fails. It was just a "P" on the transcript. I guess it was obvious since, as far as I know, that was the only way to pass/fail a class, but I don't think it would hurt you.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Pleasye » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:22 am

So I got an offer today.

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Postby BVest » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:32 am

Congrats Pleasye! Is it one you're happy with?

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Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:45 am

Congrats Pleasye!!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby s1m4 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:52 am

Hey all - I was wondering if you could help me out with some wisdom:

I got a job at a firm after graduation and was offered a low hourly rate and verbally promised that I would be promoted to a salary position with substantially higher pay upon passing the bar.

Its been over a month since I learned that I passed the bar, but have had no movements in terms of a permanent offer. Ive spoken to the supervising partner about three weeks ago who told me that it would eventually happen but im getting to the point where I really need to start coming up with a plan to pay down my debt, and im currently just barely surviving. Should I speak with the supervising partner of the firm? Can anyone recommend a way to do this? Has anyone been in a similar situation?

Thank you

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Postby a male human » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:39 am

s1m4 wrote:Hey all - I was wondering if you could help me out with some wisdom:

I got a job at a firm after graduation and was offered a low hourly rate and verbally promised that I would be promoted to a salary position with substantially higher pay upon passing the bar.

Its been over a month since I learned that I passed the bar, but have had no movements in terms of a permanent offer. Ive spoken to the supervising partner about three weeks ago who told me that it would eventually happen but im getting to the point where I really need to start coming up with a plan to pay down my debt, and im currently just barely surviving. Should I speak with the supervising partner of the firm? Can anyone recommend a way to do this? Has anyone been in a similar situation?

Thank you

Not sure if this will help but a friend used to be in (not exactly the same but) a similar situation. I believe he was decently salaried as a law clerk but really wanted an actual attorney position after passing the bar. I suggested that he speak to some members of the firm (including his supervisor), but he felt like he was getting squeezed out (less dependency and work). He ended up bouncing to a completely different area of law, just so he could be an actual attorney.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby minnbills » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:49 am

s1m4 wrote:Hey all - I was wondering if you could help me out with some wisdom:

I got a job at a firm after graduation and was offered a low hourly rate and verbally promised that I would be promoted to a salary position with substantially higher pay upon passing the bar.

Its been over a month since I learned that I passed the bar, but have had no movements in terms of a permanent offer. Ive spoken to the supervising partner about three weeks ago who told me that it would eventually happen but im getting to the point where I really need to start coming up with a plan to pay down my debt, and im currently just barely surviving. Should I speak with the supervising partner of the firm? Can anyone recommend a way to do this? Has anyone been in a similar situation?

Thank you


Are you an attorney yet?

And congrats Pleasye!!!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby UnamSanctam » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:05 am

Pleasye wrote:So I got an offer today.


Legit

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Postby El Pollito » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:25 am

congrats again pleasye!!!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby s1m4 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:02 am

minnbills wrote:
s1m4 wrote:Hey all - I was wondering if you could help me out with some wisdom:

I got a job at a firm after graduation and was offered a low hourly rate and verbally promised that I would be promoted to a salary position with substantially higher pay upon passing the bar.

Its been over a month since I learned that I passed the bar, but have had no movements in terms of a permanent offer. Ive spoken to the supervising partner about three weeks ago who told me that it would eventually happen but im getting to the point where I really need to start coming up with a plan to pay down my debt, and im currently just barely surviving. Should I speak with the supervising partner of the firm? Can anyone recommend a way to do this? Has anyone been in a similar situation?

Thank you


Are you an attorney yet?

And congrats Pleasye!!!


Yes, im an attorney.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby minnbills » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:07 am

Well if you're already licensed and they're not making moves to bump you up - I think it's time to start quietly looking for another position. Hopefully things work out with your current firm, but you should be protecting yourself here too.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Pleasye » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:21 am

BVest wrote:Congrats Pleasye! Is it one you're happy with?

Thank you everyone :D. Yes I'm happy with it! They do what I want to do and pay decently. Location is not my fave and they're on the smaller side of what I wanted BUT practice area kind of trumps all for me. I haven't accepted yet but I'm 99% going to.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby s1m4 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:38 am

minnbills wrote:Well if you're already licensed and they're not making moves to bump you up - I think it's time to start quietly looking for another position. Hopefully things work out with your current firm, but you should be protecting yourself here too.


Thank you - im going to start looking for other work. Should I still actively seek an internal raise by knocking on a different partners door and trying to speak with him about the situation, or are things like these only really discussed at reviews etc?

Ideally I would like to remain with this firm - I really like the niche area of law that I practice there and would be hardpressed to find anything similar entry level at a different firm (securities).

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby s1m4 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:40 am

s1m4 wrote:
minnbills wrote:Well if you're already licensed and they're not making moves to bump you up - I think it's time to start quietly looking for another position. Hopefully things work out with your current firm, but you should be protecting yourself here too.


Thank you - im going to start looking for other work. Should I still actively seek an internal raise by knocking on a different partners door and trying to speak with him about the situation, or are things like these only really discussed at reviews etc? I really need the raise, but my bargaining position is not strong here - unfortunately I cant just walk out the door and find a similar position elsewhere and Ideally I would like to remain with this firm - I really like the niche area of law that I practice there and would be hardpressed to find anything similar entry level at a different firm (securities). I'm sure that the firm is aware of this.

Thanks.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby s1m4 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:45 am

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby minnbills » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:47 am

I don't think bringing it up with another partner is the right approach - your best bet is to let things play out with the partner you spoke to earlier. Your firm knows you want a bump in status and pay (who wouldn't?)

If you really like your firm you can just stick it out and not apply anywhere. The problem is if you lose your current job it will be more difficult to find another. (It's always easier to find work when you have a job).

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rinkrat19 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:54 am

Some tentative good news to add to the pile...one of the recipients of the school PI fellowship that I didn't get back in April got a real job and turned down their fellowship award, and it was offered to me!!!! I still have to see if the host employer I'd lined up (prosecutor's office in Portland area, where I have moved back to) is still able to host another fellow (or maybe the school could give me a week to scrape something else up really fast), and it's still contingent on passing the bar, but I'm feeling something other than negative and hopeless about my job prospects for the first time since I was pretty well rocked by not getting the fellowship.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Lwoods » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:01 pm

Congrats Rink & Pleasye!!!

Pleasye--not sure where you prefer to be geographically, but if you'd like SD better than the city where you got an offer, I can keep my eyes and ears open for lateral opportunities down the line. Congrats again!

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Postby rinkrat19 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:02 pm

and congrats, Pleasye! :D




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