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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby shredderrrrrr » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:43 pm

JohannDeMann wrote:Blue Lotus - you can pretty much do whatever you want with your resume. It's your resume. However, it's going to look very weird when you are interviewed and they learn you spent your first two years at T30 and left it off your resume completely. They will ask you about it right then and there in the interview and how will you respond? The 2 page limit? Or that you're embarassed by the school? Either answer is terrible.

The best thing to do is list the JD granting instituation with a parenthetical of visiting student at TT

This only takes up 1 line still and lets your employers know you have ties to the area. Clarify in your cover letter that you knew you wanted to remain in local market so that is why you studied at local TT your last year. A T30 school is fine and you should not be embarrassed by it.

Good luck, Blue.


I know we're beating a dead horse here, but this is the correct (and really the only) response.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby BlueLotus » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:39 pm

shredderrrrrr wrote:
JohannDeMann wrote:Blue Lotus - you can pretty much do whatever you want with your resume. It's your resume. However, it's going to look very weird when you are interviewed and they learn you spent your first two years at T30 and left it off your resume completely. They will ask you about it right then and there in the interview and how will you respond? The 2 page limit? Or that you're embarassed by the school? Either answer is terrible.

The best thing to do is list the JD granting instituation with a parenthetical of visiting student at TT

This only takes up 1 line still and lets your employers know you have ties to the area. Clarify in your cover letter that you knew you wanted to remain in local market so that is why you studied at local TT your last year. A T30 school is fine and you should not be embarrassed by it.

Good luck, Blue.


I know we're beating a dead horse here, but this is the correct (and really the only) response.


You're probably right. I just have to live with a shitstain on my resume for the rest of my career.

Shifting gears, anyone consider Peace Corps after lawl school? Would it be feasible to parlay that into an IHR legal jerb afterwards? I don't have IHR coursework or legal internships, but I did intern abroad with an NGO in undergrad and have the requisite foreign language proficiencies.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby UnamSanctam » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:39 pm

While I've got you.

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Postby Pleasye » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:46 pm

:lol:

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Postby El Pollito » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:14 pm

Pleasye wrote::lol:

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Postby baal hadad » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:05 pm

UnamSanctam wrote:While I've got you.

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What am i looking at

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Postby TheDukesPantaloons » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:37 pm

FYI mod edit: don't create an account and post just to embarrass someone.

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Postby JohannDeMann » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:46 pm

Yeah I don't get it unam

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby shredderrrrrr » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:49 pm

mod edit: removed revealing info

I think we should lay off bluelotus

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:50 pm

Folks, please stop discussing Blue Lotus's quirks in this thread and let this thread get back on topic.

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:14 am

had a callback style interview 16 days ago. the firm told me they'd make a decision in about 2 weeks. should i e-mail them to reiterate my interest and to ask where they are in the process? or should i just wait?

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:26 am

So apologies if this has been asked before, but when firms want "1-3 years experience," can 3Ls apply anyway? Possibly with my clinics and summer experiences it all adds up to a year, I guess. Although at this point, will they even give 3Ls a glance or is everything gonna have to wait until after the bar?

Also, would appreciate some words of optimism or, I don't know, something. I spent pretty much this entire semester very depressed due to a significant change in my personal life. I should not have let it get the best of me, but it did, and as a consequence, my job search suffered. I am kicking myself now for letting it get so late in the semester without doing much of anything besides check Symplicity and other job boards sometimes and go to a few networking events here and there. I know it's 100% my fault, but I can't change the past. So here we are in April. My resume is nothing special. Above median (hard to know exactly by how much, because my school doesn't release class rank, but definitely closer to the middle than the top), T20, with LR. Even if I have to wait until after the bar (which is obviously quite likely at this point), I want to believe I'll get a job, somehow, somewhere. Am I screwed for not doing anything until now? I hope not.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby UnamSanctam » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:02 am

Anonymous User wrote:So apologies if this has been asked before, but when firms want "1-3 years experience," can 3Ls apply anyway? Possibly with my clinics and summer experiences it all adds up to a year, I guess. Although at this point, will they even give 3Ls a glance or is everything gonna have to wait until after the bar?


Yes. What else would you do, anyway?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby BlueLotus » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:41 am

Anonymous User wrote:So apologies if this has been asked before, but when firms want "1-3 years experience," can 3Ls apply anyway? Possibly with my clinics and summer experiences it all adds up to a year, I guess. Although at this point, will they even give 3Ls a glance or is everything gonna have to wait until after the bar?

Also, would appreciate some words of optimism or, I don't know, something. I spent pretty much this entire semester very depressed due to a significant change in my personal life. I should not have let it get the best of me, but it did, and as a consequence, my job search suffered. I am kicking myself now for letting it get so late in the semester without doing much of anything besides check Symplicity and other job boards sometimes and go to a few networking events here and there. I know it's 100% my fault, but I can't change the past. So here we are in April. My resume is nothing special. Above median (hard to know exactly by how much, because my school doesn't release class rank, but definitely closer to the middle than the top), T20, with LR. Even if I have to wait until after the bar (which is obviously quite likely at this point), I want to believe I'll get a job, somehow, somewhere. Am I screwed for not doing anything until now? I hope not.


This has been debated heavily in the Vale. Apply anyway to job postings requiring 1-3 years of experience. Who knows, you might get lucky. What else are you going to do--sit around and watch Netflix?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby jessuf » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:17 pm

I have a 2 page resume and give 0 fucks. I don't think anyone cares about the length if it's under 2 pages and not just burger flipping jobs.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby spleenworship » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Also, would appreciate some words of optimism or, I don't know, something.... Am I screwed for not doing anything until now? I hope not.


You're going to be fine. You'll probably get a job - almost everyone does eventually. A lot of jobs open up post bar. Relax, plenty of time to fix everything. Relax. It's going to be OK. Look back through this thread - almost everyone in the Vale got a job eventually.



On another note, what the fuck happened in here? I'm gone for a couple goddamn months and not only did the last three to five pages never need to happen but y'all let anon above go without any encouragement. Seriously disappoint.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:had a callback style interview 16 days ago. the firm told me they'd make a decision in about 2 weeks. should i e-mail them to reiterate my interest and to ask where they are in the process? or should i just wait?


Probably give it another week before e-mailing. They could have had something come up and haven't quite made the decision yet. Or, they meant closer to three weeks when they said "about 2."

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Holly Golightly » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:30 am

Jessuf wrote:I have a 2 page resume and give 0 fucks. I don't think anyone cares about the length if it's under 2 pages and not just burger flipping jobs.

Agreed.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:35 am

Holly Golightly wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I have a 2 page resume and give 0 fucks. I don't think anyone cares about the length if it's under 2 pages and not just burger flipping jobs.

Agreed.

yep.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby worldtraveler » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:08 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I have a 2 page resume and give 0 fucks. I don't think anyone cares about the length if it's under 2 pages and not just burger flipping jobs.

Agreed.


I also have 2 pages. I find it very hard to predict what interviewers will find interesting. I get a lot of questions on experiences that I wouldn't say are my most important or relevant.

But also I see a lot of 2 page resumes where people are just really bad at formatting and have giant wasted spaces.

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:24 pm

Hoping to be jumping out of this thread soon. Had two rounds of interviews with a firm and recently did a conflicts check after the two interviews. Waiting to hear back. The anticipation is absolutely killing me right now.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby CaptainLeela » Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:22 pm

I know I don't belong here but would any of the "2 pages is ok" group be willing to take a look at my resume and give me their thoughts on 1 v. 2 pages? This would be for the 3L job hunt & I'm starting to struggle with 1 page fit.

Thanks so much, good luck all!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby BruceWayne » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:54 pm

I'm sorry but if you're under 30 then 2 pages is not OK unless you are some kind of virtuoso who started a big corp, won a peace prize, or invented something important. In which case this is probably not the thread you'd be frequenting. Not trying to be hurtful but that's what I've always been told and it makes a lot of sense. And I'm being generous with using 30 as the floor.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby shredderrrrrr » Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:10 pm

Considering some of the ridiculously accomplished people I've met that still had one-page resumes, I would agree that a two-page resume seems improper for most 3Ls or recent grads.

Is a two-page resume a death knell? Doubtful. But in a situation where brevity is likely beneficial, I think you would be putting yourself at a disadvantage by having two pages.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:22 pm

As someone who is in the process of selecting an intern, two pages on a resume is instantly annoying.

Not a deal breaker, but I already have a bad taste




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