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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Danger Zone » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:49 am

play2win wrote:Besides jobs like FBI Special Agent, anyone know of any non-legal or not strictly legal type jobs where a JD would make you a competitive or even desirable candidate?

Compliance positions. Possibly jobs with accounting firms, but that's hit or miss.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby play2win » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:57 am

Danger Zone wrote:
play2win wrote:Besides jobs like FBI Special Agent, anyone know of any non-legal or not strictly legal type jobs where a JD would make you a competitive or even desirable candidate?

Compliance positions. Possibly jobs with accounting firms, but that's hit or miss.

You care to elaborate? What would an example of a compliance position be?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Danger Zone » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:41 am

Sorry I'm on my phone but something like this or this. It's difficult to find entry level positions in these jobs, but if you get your foot in the door, you could make a good living.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby jaydizzle » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:56 am

Does anyone have a sample USAjobs resume I can look at? I hear the more pages the better. I am working on a tight deadline, so I would greatly appreciate it.

Please PM me!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:05 pm

play2win wrote:Besides jobs like FBI Special Agent, anyone know of any non-legal or not strictly legal type jobs where a JD would make you a competitive or even desirable candidate?

Jd won't even make you competitive for FBI special agent without work experience. I think they want 5 yrs.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby chrisbru » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:25 pm

play2win wrote:Besides jobs like FBI Special Agent, anyone know of any non-legal or not strictly legal type jobs where a JD would make you a competitive or even desirable candidate?


Depends on your pre-law degree and work experience. But consulting, anything listed as compliance, contracts management, risk management.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Lwoods » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:28 pm

play2win wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
play2win wrote:Besides jobs like FBI Special Agent, anyone know of any non-legal or not strictly legal type jobs where a JD would make you a competitive or even desirable candidate?

Compliance positions. Possibly jobs with accounting firms, but that's hit or miss.

You care to elaborate? What would an example of a compliance position be?

Any sort of regulatory compliance. Different companies will deal with different regulatory bodies depending on their industry.

Another JD-advantage job is HR.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Yobot » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:19 pm

Lwoods wrote:
play2win wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
play2win wrote:Besides jobs like FBI Special Agent, anyone know of any non-legal or not strictly legal type jobs where a JD would make you a competitive or even desirable candidate?

Compliance positions. Possibly jobs with accounting firms, but that's hit or miss.

You care to elaborate? What would an example of a compliance position be?



Another JD-advantage job is HR.


Human resources? First time I've heard that referred to as a JD-advantage job.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Danger Zone » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:04 pm

Yeah I've never heard that before either. Can you elaborate lwoods?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:34 pm

Not lwoods, but I've heard that about HR - since you're dealing with employment issues, some companies find it a benefit to have someone who knows the legal side of things (like when you can fire someone and how you can do it without getting sued, how to discipline employees, how to ensure hiring complies with federal/state law, that kind of thing). I also know someone in what I'd call a hybrid counsel/HR gig at a company that has a lot of international employees, so she does a lot of employment visa paperwork.

I don't know to what extent employers actively try to hire JDs to do this, nor do I know what the pay is like, but it's an area where you can argue that the JD is an advantage, at least.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby gfunk01 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:09 pm

Govt procurement likes to hire JDs.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby JenDarby » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:38 pm

I found out today I will be able to stay at the investment bank I started working at 2L summer after I graduate! I found this job late May of 2L after scouring the internet for corporate in-house positions and applying to anything and everything I could find. During 1L I actually found my job similarly late, at the end of April. Good luck to everyone still looking, its so hard but just try to stay positive and continue to apply to everything you find. Just last week I had a nightmare interview with a litigation firm that asked me a torts hypothetical, and I was not excited about the prospect of a job there, but I was ready to take it if offered (not so shockingly I did not even get a callback).

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby spleenworship » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:57 pm

CONGRATS JEN!!!!

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Postby cinephile » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:03 pm

spleenworship wrote:CONGRATS JEN!!!!


Congrats!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby spleenworship » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:11 pm

So.... I sent emails to four of the seven rural PD offices' head attorneys (who theoretically already have my application) telling them about my ties to their area and my willingness to relocate. I included another copy of my resume and an offer to send them writing samples, references, etc.

Hopefully that produces something positive and doesn't bite me in the ass. I stopped short of sending them a gif of me on my knees fellating a cucumber with a sign around my neck that says "Has No Self-Esteem." So even if they if they are mad, overall it's probably a win for me.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Bikeflip » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:15 pm

cinephile wrote:
spleenworship wrote:CONGRATS JEN!!!!


Congrats!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby spleenworship » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:32 pm

spleenworship wrote:So.... I sent emails to four of the seven rural PD offices' head attorneys (who theoretically already have my application) telling them about my ties to their area and my willingness to relocate. I included another copy of my resume and an offer to send them writing samples, references, etc.


So... just real quick guys... my self confidence is fucking shot. I'm just constantly second guessing myself. Was sending these emails a good idea or a mistake in your opinion?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby JenDarby » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:33 pm

Thanks guys!

spleenworship wrote:
spleenworship wrote:So.... I sent emails to four of the seven rural PD offices' head attorneys (who theoretically already have my application) telling them about my ties to their area and my willingness to relocate. I included another copy of my resume and an offer to send them writing samples, references, etc.


So... just real quick guys... my self confidence is fucking shot. I'm just constantly second guessing myself. Was sending these emails a good idea or a mistake in your opinion?

I don't think it was a bad idea at all. I think it will do nothing or benefit you, but I don't see it hurting you.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby spleenworship » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:36 pm

Thanks. I'm such a wreck I barely know my name anymore. That helps me feel better Jen.

And congrats again!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Bikeflip » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:45 pm

Can't score if you don't shoot, Spleen. I only see see this helping you.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby sundontshine » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:51 pm

play2win wrote:Besides jobs like FBI Special Agent, anyone know of any non-legal or not strictly legal type jobs where a JD would make you a competitive or even desirable candidate?


Many consulting firms. I'm a 3L and recently gave up on the idea practicing law (really did not want to become a lawyer) and found out 2 weeks ago that I landed an offer with a mid-sized consulting firm. My JD and many of the courses I've taken in law school were a major reason I got an offer.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby JohannDeMann » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:15 pm

spleenworship wrote:
spleenworship wrote:So.... I sent emails to four of the seven rural PD offices' head attorneys (who theoretically already have my application) telling them about my ties to their area and my willingness to relocate. I included another copy of my resume and an offer to send them writing samples, references, etc.


So... just real quick guys... my self confidence is fucking shot. I'm just constantly second guessing myself. Was sending these emails a good idea or a mistake in your opinion?


Definitely a good idea. Keep hustling.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby hous » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:09 pm

Spleen, its not the end of the world to graduate without a job. In fact, most people will. You will find something and you will be a great attorney even it takes you a little longer. Most people don't have anything right now and most will not be as open as you are. It only seems like you are alone and looking for work, but trust me you are not.

Focus on your grades and sending out apps just 1 hour a day. Check your sites once in the evening and try not to dwell on it. You have another semester left and its not too late to kill your exams.

I feel like you are being too harsh on yourself and it can only be counterproductive.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Lwoods » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:23 pm

Congrats, JD!

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Not lwoods, but I've heard that about HR - since you're dealing with employment issues, some companies find it a benefit to have someone who knows the legal side of things (like when you can fire someone and how you can do it without getting sued, how to discipline employees, how to ensure hiring complies with federal/state law, that kind of thing). I also know someone in what I'd call a hybrid counsel/HR gig at a company that has a lot of international employees, so she does a lot of employment visa paperwork.

I don't know to what extent employers actively try to hire JDs to do this, nor do I know what the pay is like, but it's an area where you can argue that the JD is an advantage, at least.


Yeah, this is pretty much it. When I've seen JDs in HR, it's typically been at the more senior level, but since HR departments often have a big hand in company policies regarding hiring, promotion, benefits, etc., knowing how the law works is a huge asset. An entry-level recruiting position, however, won't deal much with the law outside of having to be mindful of it.
Just something to keep on your radar if you've taken employment law classes.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby jessuf » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:01 pm

Congrats, JD!

Also Spleen, I don't think that's a big deal. PD offices aren't like civil practice firms. They love ppl with passion. Most of the interest I've gotten in CA was through doing just that. Too bad none of them hire pre bar.




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