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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby ninereal » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:00 pm

rad lulz wrote:
ninereal wrote:joining this thread

Came back to my (West Coast) home market to look for a job after going to (East Coast) T14, and starting in a region where you've only done one summer's worth of legal work is kind of shitty - fortunately, I can at least live at home while I search.

Also, emailed my CSO counselor to see if they had Symplicity reciprocity with the local law schools (there are like two postings for my home market on my school's site), she forwarded to whoever else in the office is responsible for that, and the last person straight-up ignored me, so that was pretty great. I know you don't give a shit about anyone who doesn't want to work on the East Coast, but you could at least pretend.

Parents are clutch man. They gonna let you live for free?


yeah, fortunately they like having me around, although if I end up doing a school-funded job and not being able to move out for a while, I might give them a few hundred a month just to head any tension off at the pass

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:08 pm

ninereal wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
ninereal wrote:joining this thread

Came back to my (West Coast) home market to look for a job after going to (East Coast) T14, and starting in a region where you've only done one summer's worth of legal work is kind of shitty - fortunately, I can at least live at home while I search.

Also, emailed my CSO counselor to see if they had Symplicity reciprocity with the local law schools (there are like two postings for my home market on my school's site), she forwarded to whoever else in the office is responsible for that, and the last person straight-up ignored me, so that was pretty great. I know you don't give a shit about anyone who doesn't want to work on the East Coast, but you could at least pretend.

Parents are clutch man. They gonna let you live for free?


yeah, fortunately they like having me around, although if I end up doing a school-funded job and not being able to move out for a while, I might give them a few hundred a month just to head any tension off at the pass

Sweet deal bro

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby ninereal » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:25 pm

it's one of the unexpected benefits of K-JD: not super awkward when you have to move back home for a bit

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:41 pm

ninereal wrote:it's one of the unexpected benefits of K-JD: not super awkward when you have to move back home for a bit

As someone living at home, yes

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:00 pm

rad lulz wrote:
ninereal wrote:it's one of the unexpected benefits of K-JD: not super awkward when you have to move back home for a bit

As someone living at home, yes


Currently at home. My mother yelled at me for crying when I got no-offered.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
ninereal wrote:it's one of the unexpected benefits of K-JD: not super awkward when you have to move back home for a bit

As someone living at home, yes


Currently at home. My mother yelled at me for crying when I got no-offered.

I'm sorry that happened to you anon. That really sucks. You're no alone though. I've heard other stories from people who had the same parental reactions. Unless your parents are attorneys, they don't really get why you can't easily just go out and get a similar job. I'd try to hit up counseling if I were you. I did; it was more helpful than my family.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby BarbellDreams » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:28 pm

My family is slowly leaving the "You're an attorney you're gonna make 6 figures" mentality but is still firmly in the "You're an attorney, finding something for a low salary like 60-70K to start isn't that hard. You just have to hustle."

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:30 pm

BarbellDreams wrote:My family is slowly leaving the "You're an attorney you're gonna make 6 figures" mentality but is still firmly in the "You're an attorney, finding something for a low salary like 60-70K to start isn't that hard. You just have to hustle."

ljl @ 70k as a "low salary"

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby TTH » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:47 pm

rad lulz wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:My family is slowly leaving the "You're an attorney you're gonna make 6 figures" mentality but is still firmly in the "You're an attorney, finding something for a low salary like 60-70K to start isn't that hard. You just have to hustle."

ljl @ 70k as a "low salary"


Yup. I'd give my eye teeth for 70k right now.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby BarbellDreams » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:48 pm

rad lulz wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:My family is slowly leaving the "You're an attorney you're gonna make 6 figures" mentality but is still firmly in the "You're an attorney, finding something for a low salary like 60-70K to start isn't that hard. You just have to hustle."

ljl @ 70k as a "low salary"


Thats the problem. A lay person who has no idea what the legal market is like thinks 60-70K for an attorney is low. They all assume 6 figures galore.

Yup. I'd give my eye teeth for 70k right now.


Dear God, this x 100000.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby chrisbru » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:49 pm

TTH wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:My family is slowly leaving the "You're an attorney you're gonna make 6 figures" mentality but is still firmly in the "You're an attorney, finding something for a low salary like 60-70K to start isn't that hard. You just have to hustle."

ljl @ 70k as a "low salary"


Yup. I'd give my eye teeth for 70k right now.


That's at the high end of my expectations. I'd be excited about anything over $50k.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Void » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:52 pm

chrisbru wrote:
TTH wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:My family is slowly leaving the "You're an attorney you're gonna make 6 figures" mentality but is still firmly in the "You're an attorney, finding something for a low salary like 60-70K to start isn't that hard. You just have to hustle."

ljl @ 70k as a "low salary"


Yup. I'd give my eye teeth for 70k right now.


That's at the high end of my expectations. I'd be excited about anything over $50k.


I happily accepted an offer for less than $50k.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby chrisbru » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:25 am

Void wrote:
chrisbru wrote:I happily accepted an offer for less than $50k.


Happy and excited aren't the same thing though... I'd totally be happy with under $50k, but I'd be downright excited about more than that.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby jessuf » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:06 pm

I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:39 pm

Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

Whoa, how did that happen? Did you transfer to a better school with worse placements? Or did you have a harder time at your new school?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby NYstate » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

Whoa, how did that happen? Did you transfer to a better school with worse placements? Or did you have a harder time at your new school?


Did you read the " no advice" title on this thread? Go away.

If you want advice about how transfers fair at OCI, start your own thread.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby a male human » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:07 pm

NYstate wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

Whoa, how did that happen? Did you transfer to a better school with worse placements? Or did you have a harder time at your new school?


Did you read the " no advice" title on this thread? Go away.

If you want advice about how transfers fair at OCI, start your own thread.

I graduated already and am not looking for transfer advice. Just curious to know how it happened. Poster could always say s/he doesn't want to give out info or whatever.

Guess I shouldn't have been anon.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:27 pm

a male human wrote:I graduated already and am not looking for transfer advice. Just curious to know how it happened. Poster could always say s/he doesn't want to give out info or whatever.

Guess I shouldn't have been anon.


Look, I know that TLS is all about asking questions and getting information. However, this is not one of those threads. This is supposed to be a safe space where we can be free of questions that make us want to hit up the tequila bottle hard.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby jessuf » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:31 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

Whoa, how did that happen? Did you transfer to a better school with worse placements? Or did you have a harder time at your new school?

Well, I am pretty open about my fails, so I don't really care about people asking questions.

I transferred from a regional southeast TTT to GULC. The EIC of the LR during my 1L year at the TTT graduated jobless, the school's employment figures were suspiciously high yet only 4 firms or something came to OCI (and none of those firms ended up hiring SAs from the TTT anyway), and several younger professors begged me to transfer. Plus I didn't have an interest in remaining in that region.

So I left. But now, I am open to working pretty much anywhere, including tiny towns in states I've never been to, and I wonder if I would have had something lined up now with some little town DA office like a lot of my old fellow students. I went from top 1% to top 25%, which isn't bad, but it's depressing to know old fellow students who are median at a crap school are resting easy knowing they will be working at the state attorney's office come 2014. It makes me wonder what my future would be like had I stayed.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby FeelTheHeat » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:44 pm

Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.


:(

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby NYstate » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:44 pm

Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

Whoa, how did that happen? Did you transfer to a better school with worse placements? Or did you have a harder time at your new school?

Well, I am pretty open about my fails, so I don't really care about people asking questions.

I transferred from a regional southeast TTT to GULC. The EIC of the LR during my 1L year at the TTT graduated jobless, the school's employment figures were suspiciously high yet only 4 firms or something came to OCI (and none of those firms ended up hiring SAs from the TTT anyway), and several younger professors begged me to transfer. Plus I didn't have an interest in remaining in that region.

So I left. But now, I am open to working pretty much anywhere, including tiny towns in states I've never been to, and I wonder if I would have had something lined up now with some little town DA office like a lot of my old fellow students. I went from top 1% to top 25%, which isn't bad, but it's depressing to know old fellow students who are median at a crap school are resting easy knowing they will be working at the state attorney's office come 2014. It makes me wonder what my future would be like had I stayed.


Reading your description and thought process, I still think you made the right decision at the time. Turning down a transfer to stay in a place you didn't want to be would have been foolish.

You don't know the end of this story yet. You may find something you never would have gotten from your old school.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby iceman219 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:46 pm

Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

Whoa, how did that happen? Did you transfer to a better school with worse placements? Or did you have a harder time at your new school?

Well, I am pretty open about my fails, so I don't really care about people asking questions.

I transferred from a regional southeast TTT to GULC. The EIC of the LR during my 1L year at the TTT graduated jobless, the school's employment figures were suspiciously high yet only 4 firms or something came to OCI (and none of those firms ended up hiring SAs from the TTT anyway), and several younger professors begged me to transfer. Plus I didn't have an interest in remaining in that region.
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It makes me wonder what my future would be like had I stayed.


I feel you bro. I had several different opportunities when initially choosing law school, and I went w/ an adjacent state's top LS, which was marginally higher ranked and offered more $$ versus a well-respected in-state school, among other in-state options. I did well, graduated right outside of top 1/3, was Managing Editor of a Journal, yet the opportunities back in my home state are hard to come by, even though all of my summers were spent working back in my home state.

Should I have stayed in-state at a lesser-ranked school & paid more money, just so I could have better in-state firm access for OCIs/summers? My 2nd summer was spent with a very well respected mid sized Real Property-oriented firm, yet they are still stringing me along regarding job opportunities over 1 year after my summer ended. Could I have landed different summer opportunities via OCI, or been better plugged in with networking had I stayed in-state?

At this stage, with no options on the horizon, it is very easy to play the "what ifs" game over and over in your mind. But that won't change your present circumstances, just as it won't with mine. Get out there, hustle, mass mail, network, volunteer... don't play the "what ifs"

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby a male human » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
a male human wrote:I graduated already and am not looking for transfer advice. Just curious to know how it happened. Poster could always say s/he doesn't want to give out info or whatever.

Guess I shouldn't have been anon.


Look, I know that TLS is all about asking questions and getting information. However, this is not one of those threads. This is supposed to be a safe space where we can be free of questions that make us want to hit up the tequila bottle hard.

Sorry, I thought people would be open to vent.

Jessuf wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Jessuf wrote:I regret transferring now. People from my old TTT who weren't even top quarter are posting all over Facebook about post-grad jobs they just lined up. I'd love to have some of their jobs.

Whoa, how did that happen? Did you transfer to a better school with worse placements? Or did you have a harder time at your new school?

Well, I am pretty open about my fails, so I don't really care about people asking questions.

I transferred from a regional southeast TTT to GULC. The EIC of the LR during my 1L year at the TTT graduated jobless, the school's employment figures were suspiciously high yet only 4 firms or something came to OCI (and none of those firms ended up hiring SAs from the TTT anyway), and several younger professors begged me to transfer. Plus I didn't have an interest in remaining in that region.

So I left. But now, I am open to working pretty much anywhere, including tiny towns in states I've never been to, and I wonder if I would have had something lined up now with some little town DA office like a lot of my old fellow students. I went from top 1% to top 25%, which isn't bad, but it's depressing to know old fellow students who are median at a crap school are resting easy knowing they will be working at the state attorney's office come 2014. It makes me wonder what my future would be like had I stayed.

Stay strong man. I have a lot of regrets, too. I would go back all the way to 2004 if I could. But like someone said, you can't know what would have happened--the "what if"s. The important thing is that you made the choice you would regret least at the time.

An attorney just told me that he thinks the economy is not in fact getting better. If you want to blame an external factor, that could be it.

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Postby Gorki » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:34 pm

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:36 pm

Jobless 3L here, seriously considering getting a med post-bacc and trying for something less risky. I know the loans will be huge at this point, but there are some programs where you can work in underserved areas and get your loans forgiven. So I guess that's what I'm aiming for.




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