The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Omerta » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:08 pm

Brothers,

I don't know how many of you are learned in the classics, but I have a modern day parable I would like to share with you because it acts as a wonderful allegory to our current situations.

My grandmother is old, racist, and morbidly obese. Her pastimes include smoking and ranting about her brown neighbor, who is probably a terrorist. Roughly a year ago, she told me that her bridge group decided that Obama was a Marxist. Of course, she has no money. She receives medical coverage courtesy of the federal government, along with social security. My parents, who are both very successful professionals, provide her with additional money because my father is a good son.

Recently, we moved her into a nursing home because she cannot walk or do anything by herself besides double barrel cigs. Of course, my parents are paying her living expenses and rent. My mother manages the bills for those things, so she asked my grandmother for her bank account information so we could settle her affairs, transfer any funds from selling her apartment and car, and make sure she had enough to survive. She was evasive. Suspicions arise.

Turns out that she racked up SIXTY FUCKING THOUSAND DOLLARS in credit card bills buying random shit and has been hiding the fact that she hasn't been living entirely off of what we've been giving her for about one year. When asked why she wouldn't just ask us for help because it wouldn't have been a big deal to give her more money, she responded with the following:

"Well, I didn't want to be a bother, so I thought that you and [her other children] could sort it out after I died."

Think on these things, my brothers, for my story is an allegory for America and the law firm as a business model.

Disclaimer: this is a 100% true story and I almost choked to death as Camus' ghost force fed me reified absurdity when my mom told me this.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby cansohei11 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:16 pm

Ah, kicking the can down the road. Don't you love old people?

I'm finding the job search infuriating as I'm gunning for jobs in my tiny hometown in a flyover state. There is some interest, and I have connections, but these guys really don't want to get serious until after the bar and after I move home. I'll be working for one of them over winter, but dayum flying back and forth and convincing old attys that I reeeeeeeally want to work with them is tough. Especially a year out.

So, is small firm job hunting really not feasible until you take the bar or at least graduate?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby 20160810 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:40 pm

cansohei11 wrote:Ah, kicking the can down the road. Don't you love old people?

I'm finding the job search infuriating as I'm gunning for jobs in my tiny hometown in a flyover state. There is some interest, and I have connections, but these guys really don't want to get serious until after the bar and after I move home. I'll be working for one of them over winter, but dayum flying back and forth and convincing old attys that I reeeeeeeally want to work with them is tough. Especially a year out.

So, is small firm job hunting really not feasible until you take the bar or at least graduate?

Every small firm I've talked to has expressed extreme reluctance about committing to hiring me until maybe a month before my clerkship ends. They just don't work on very long timeframes.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:45 pm

Just got a rejection from the FDIC, which couldn't even take the courtesy of spelling my name right on the rejection letter. Glad to be reminded of my status.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:48 pm

to 3Ls that got biglaw this year-- did you all have 2L SAs? Can I ask if anyone struck out during 2L OCI/ did PI work 2L summer? Thanks a lot!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:to 3Ls that got biglaw this year-- did you all have 2L SAs? Can I ask if anyone struck out during 2L OCI/ did PI work 2L summer? Thanks a lot!

You sound like a 2L. If so, we aren't taking questions you miserable piece of horse shit. Read the thread title. We are unemployed, and this is a thread for us to commiserate and share advice among ourselves. If we had big law, do you think we'd be posting here? I got no-offered. If I got another big firm job, do you think I'd be posting in a thread called "Vale of tears?"

So no, you may not ask. As one poster said a few pages back, we're not curiosities. Go fuck yourself.

User has been warned. User has not been outed since it includes personal info, but if it happens again there won't be any leniency.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:34 pm

SBL wrote:
cansohei11 wrote:Ah, kicking the can down the road. Don't you love old people?

I'm finding the job search infuriating as I'm gunning for jobs in my tiny hometown in a flyover state. There is some interest, and I have connections, but these guys really don't want to get serious until after the bar and after I move home. I'll be working for one of them over winter, but dayum flying back and forth and convincing old attys that I reeeeeeeally want to work with them is tough. Especially a year out.

So, is small firm job hunting really not feasible until you take the bar or at least graduate?

Every small firm I've talked to has expressed extreme reluctance about committing to hiring me until maybe a month before my clerkship ends. They just don't work on very long timeframes.


What kind of clerkship are you doing that you're looking at small firms?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby 20160810 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:57 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
SBL wrote:
cansohei11 wrote:Ah, kicking the can down the road. Don't you love old people?

I'm finding the job search infuriating as I'm gunning for jobs in my tiny hometown in a flyover state. There is some interest, and I have connections, but these guys really don't want to get serious until after the bar and after I move home. I'll be working for one of them over winter, but dayum flying back and forth and convincing old attys that I reeeeeeeally want to work with them is tough. Especially a year out.

So, is small firm job hunting really not feasible until you take the bar or at least graduate?

Every small firm I've talked to has expressed extreme reluctance about committing to hiring me until maybe a month before my clerkship ends. They just don't work on very long timeframes.


What kind of clerkship are you doing that you're looking at small firms?

I'm referring to firms with under about 100-150 attys here, so not small-small. I prefer not to be too specific about where I'm clerking on the boards, but you're welcome to PM me.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:to 3Ls that got biglaw this year-- did you all have 2L SAs? Can I ask if anyone struck out during 2L OCI/ did PI work 2L summer? Thanks a lot!

You sound like a 2L. If so, we aren't taking questions you miserable piece of horse shit. Read the thread title. We are unemployed, and this is a thread for us to commiserate and share advice among ourselves. If we had big law, do you think we'd be posting here? I got no-offered. If I got another big firm job, do you think I'd be posting in a thread called "Vale of tears?"

So no, you may not ask. As one poster said a few pages back, we're not curiosities. Go fuck yourself.


For fuck's sake why do you have to be such a fucking cunt? I didn't ask in a grating way at all; if anything, if you want to play fucking misery poker, I'm probably more fucked than you since you at least had something to get no-offered from. If you don't want to answer my question then don't, and I'll get out of the thread, but I wasn't really asking for ~advice as the title admonishes against and I hardly suggested that you were a fucking unicorn. You are a serious F STAR STAR CUNT. (Mods, I won't be here again!)

User has been warned but not outed since above poster started it. As noted in above warning, there won't be further leniency for repeat offenses. Also, lol at your threat to leave towards the mods.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby 20160810 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:18 pm

Taking applications for "F STAR STAR CUNT" custom titles.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Omerta » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:32 pm

Well this thread has taken a nice turn. Total doldrums over here -- not hearing back from anyone.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby 20160810 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:27 pm

Omerta wrote:Well this thread has taken a nice turn. Total doldrums over here -- not hearing back from anyone.

Just put it in cruise control until January brother.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:30 pm

Pretty sure this January thing is flame. A few months ago firms said to wait until November. Next it'll be wait till after graduation. Doesn't mean the jobs are going to spontaneously appear.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:35 pm

Law firms are waiting on companies, companies are waiting on the fiscal cliff. Now that the election is over and they know that obamacare is going to be implemented, the only remaining uncertainty is the fiscal cliff.

Once that is solved, and there isn't an uptick in hiring, we're going to be waiting for 3-5 years before the next big legal push comes through. By then enrollment will be drastically lower and boomers will be retiring en masse. Meaning firms will be needing multiple associates to fill the shoes of each partner that retires.

It will rebound. Current 3Ls are sitting pretty if they can just get by for a year or two after graduation with some solid experience.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby 20160810 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Pretty sure this January thing is flame. A few months ago firms said to wait until November. Next it'll be wait till after graduation. Doesn't mean the jobs are going to spontaneously appear.

For a lot of 3Ls if you don't have anything by now you might be stuck waiting until after bar results, but my experience as a 3L was that the people who got jobs during the year overwhelmingly did so during spring semester.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:32 pm

Some of this is not new to this year. Most smaller firms and even some big firms traditionally wait until the spring to assess summer and permanent needs. With all the surplus talent out there, why should they commit before the really have to do so. These firms are conservative in that approach and always have been.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Bikeflip » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:59 pm

With exams looming, anyone have any tips in how to give a damn again? I know I should, but the job search just sapped me ability to care right out of me. Or should I just keep rolling with the academic apathy?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby cansohei11 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:05 pm

Bikeflip wrote:With exams looming, anyone have any tips in how to give a damn again? I know I should, but the job search just sapped me ability to care right out of me. Or should I just keep rolling with the academic apathy?


Agreed, need some tips. I'm staring into the abyss that is Federal Income Tax... And just can't seem to find the energy to care. I think we just need to remind ourselves that this is one of our last chances to up that GPA. Then again, does it really matter?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby cansohei11 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:12 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Law firms are waiting on companies, companies are waiting on the fiscal cliff. Now that the election is over and they know that obamacare is going to be implemented, the only remaining uncertainty is the fiscal cliff.

Once that is solved, and there isn't an uptick in hiring, we're going to be waiting for 3-5 years before the next big legal push comes through. By then enrollment will be drastically lower and boomers will be retiring en masse. Meaning firms will be needing multiple associates to fill the shoes of each partner that retires.

It will rebound. Current 3Ls are sitting pretty if they can just get by for a year or two after graduation with some solid experience.


You know, in the past I would have said that people have been waiting for the boomers to retire for years, and with the real estate crash this just ain't happening. HOWEVER, I have noticed [at least in my tiny homemarket] that the average age of attys out in rural America has got to be in the 60's. Most of the guys in my town are at least 65, I think the town attorney is the youngest at 61. What is going to happen when these guy's die off? No one's replacing them. Well, except for me hopefully. None of them are in great health either, so they can't last much longer than another 10 years working like this.


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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:14 am

2LsAPlenty wrote:This will make you cry:


http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... ekly_email.

What a shitty article. As if making people learn more about discovery will create jobs.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:41 am

Well if I was a 1L and read that article, I would drop out.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:53 am

I also just received my FDIC letter the guy who wrote it went to some bumf3$* school no one knows and was talking about "accomplishments"

update, still no job, still miserable, and am tempted to drop out my 3rd year second semester just to make a point.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:42 pm

Unemployed graduate here. I guess I can commiserate in this thread?

Anyway, to give some glimmer of hope I learned my references were called by a government job I interviewed with like a month ago. Also might be having a second round with a corporate counsel gig next week.

So bar results + networking ftw? One can only hope.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby TTH » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:14 pm

Anyone else planning to drop some clerkship apps to newly-elected state judges?




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