The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:30 pm

rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

Condolences bro

I know how that shit feels

Hopefully something in here is helpful for you too

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=212272

Just know that life isn't over bro

This ain't a reflection on you as a person


Looks like some good stuff in there, thanks. I'll check it out.

To person from above, nah, it wasn't the firm. I offended someone with an off-handed remark, and that was that. Work product was good. It sucks. Scrambling to try to land a clerkship late in the game.

Is 3L OCI a flame? Is it too late to even sign up for that? I'm meeting with my career services people tomorrow, but I don't even know if another firm would want me since I didn't get a cold offer or anything.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:36 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

Condolences bro

I know how that shit feels

Hopefully something in here is helpful for you too

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=212272

Just know that life isn't over bro

This ain't a reflection on you as a person


Looks like some good stuff in there, thanks. I'll check it out.

To person from above, nah, it wasn't the firm. I offended someone with an off-handed remark, and that was that. Work product was good. It sucks. Scrambling to try to land a clerkship late in the game.

Is 3L OCI a flame? Is it too late to even sign up for that? I'm meeting with my career services people tomorrow, but I don't even know if another firm would want me since I didn't get a cold offer or anything.

Look at that thread

You'll see some people definitely got jobs at firms

Do 3LOLCI if you can, but don't count on it. It's a SMALL part of your job search

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Ludo! » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

Condolences bro

I know how that shit feels

Hopefully something in here is helpful for you too

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=212272

Just know that life isn't over bro

This ain't a reflection on you as a person


Looks like some good stuff in there, thanks. I'll check it out.

To person from above, nah, it wasn't the firm. I offended someone with an off-handed remark, and that was that. Work product was good. It sucks. Scrambling to try to land a clerkship late in the game.

Is 3L OCI a flame? Is it too late to even sign up for that? I'm meeting with my career services people tomorrow, but I don't even know if another firm would want me since I didn't get a cold offer or anything.


God seriously fuck these fucking firms. Do they have any idea how devastating a blow getting no offered is. One offhanded remark and they possibly ruin your entire life. It's such bullshit

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:54 pm

Thanks bros. Feeling pretty shitty right now, mostly glad to know that I'm not alone.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Stanford4Me » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

If it helps at all, this happened to me as well. Though I'm a graduate now.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:Thanks bros. Feeling pretty shitty right now, mostly glad to know that I'm not alone.

Most definitely not

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:11 am

Stanford4Me wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

If it helps at all, this happened to me as well. Though I'm a graduate now.


Thanks man. You have a happy ending?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:12 am

Hey . . . Hope you are doing okay, and that you crushed day 1.

I have been at that point before. Just think of someone, anyone, who would be heartbroken if you were to do that. Sometimes that is what keeps me going. Knowing you will be missed. That there truly is someone who will care.


I'm doing ok man. I think I did well, glad day 1 is over, ready for day 2. I am so stressed about my money situation. I feel so guilty and awful asking my dad for help knowing that he can barely afford it and probably borrows it to help me. Losing on that job after going through multiple interviews and feeling good was very painful.

Is there any way as a law graduate I can obtain some kind of personal loan to keep myself afloat till I find something? I really can only pay for August rent and then I will barely have anything left :(.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Stanford4Me » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:06 am

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Stanford4Me wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

If it helps at all, this happened to me as well. Though I'm a graduate now.


Thanks man. You have a happy ending?

I see a very bright light at the end of the tunnel. We'll probably know within a week's time.

My tunnel was so long because my job search strategy, with the guidance of my career services counselor, was abject shit.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby rad lulz » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:09 am

Stanford4Me wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

If it helps at all, this happened to me as well. Though I'm a graduate now.


Thanks man. You have a happy ending?

I see a very bright light at the end of the tunnel. We'll probably know within a week's time.

My tunnel was so long because my job search strategy, with the guidance of my career services counselor, was abject shit.

I'm guessing the people at your school think 99% of their job is organizing and preparing students for 2L OCI

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby unc0mm0n1 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:10 am

Searching for a job as a 3L sucks.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:13 am

Stanford4Me wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Stanford4Me wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just got no-offered after my 2L SA (did my 1L summer there, too). Am I allowed to join this thread now?

If it helps at all, this happened to me as well. Though I'm a graduate now.


Thanks man. You have a happy ending?

I see a very bright light at the end of the tunnel. We'll probably know within a week's time.

My tunnel was so long because my job search strategy, with the guidance of my career services counselor, was abject shit.


What was wrong with the guidance? I'd like to avoid whatever mistakes I can. I feel like every day that goes by without getting a new jerb, my prospects get worse.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby aliens » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:20 am

I had an interview yesterday at a firm and ended up meeting with 7 different attorneys. I got the interview through networking and thought it may have been a courtesy interview. But after meeting with so many people, I don't believe it was a courtesy, but the real thing. I should hear within a week, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Stanford4Me » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:28 am

rad lulz wrote:I'm guessing the people at your school think 99% of their job is organizing and preparing students for 2L OCI

Yeah. My counselor was helpful when I had interviews during 1L year, but after that....nope. Although, she did tell me I should do 2L OCI and I ignored her advice.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby NYstate » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:29 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Hey . . . Hope you are doing okay, and that you crushed day 1.

I have been at that point before. Just think of someone, anyone, who would be heartbroken if you were to do that. Sometimes that is what keeps me going. Knowing you will be missed. That there truly is someone who will care.


I'm doing ok man. I think I did well, glad day 1 is over, ready for day 2. I am so stressed about my money situation. I feel so guilty and awful asking my dad for help knowing that he can barely afford it and probably borrows it to help me. Losing on that job after going through multiple interviews and feeling good was very painful.

Is there any way as a law graduate I can obtain some kind of personal loan to keep myself afloat till I find something? I really can only pay for August rent and then I will barely have anything left :(.



I don't know about loans. I can't think of any.


Borrow from your dad if you have to. Don't add that to your stress level. This is a time when you need support. It is ok to take it. You can figure out paying him back later.

Focus on the bar and getting your head together. You can figure this out.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby sirpartner82 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:23 am

sirpartner82 wrote:
As a small-firm partner, understand that we sometimes run ads for associates just to gauge the level of desperation out there, and also to "jaw-drop" at the sheer quantity (and quality) of resumes that come pouring in like a monsoon.

Any non-Biglaw firm paying a newbie anything more than $10 to $12 an hour is crazy. The supply-demand metrics are so absurdly in favor of the employers it's downright comical.


Pretty sure this is illegal, and even if it isn't, it is strongly deserving of a jaw-dropping quantity (and quality) of swift kicks to the dick.

You can make more than that waiting tables for chrissakes. And generally doing any full-time job that requires a 4-year degree.



It was common knowledge in 2009-2010 when you guys were applying to lawschool that it was a miserable, over-saturated field with long-shot odds of employment, and generally the most worthless and over-priced/overrated grad degree out there in the marketplace. Now this reckless & foolish decision has (predictably) blown up in your faces. You all remind me a bit of a 2-pack a day smoker who is shocked when the doctor walks in and tells him he has Stage IV lung cancer.

And things continue to get worse. A Biglaw partner thinks there is still a large over-capacity problem, to the tune of 10% or more:

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/risky-bu ... in-biglaw/


The only real question is how much more time/energy you're willing to sink into this debacle. Google the term "sunk cost" for more info.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby FeelTheHeat » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:25 am

sirpartner82 wrote: Google the term "sunk cost" for more info.


You are a fucking idiot.

If you're going to be a cynical piece of shit, at least demonstrate some capacity of intelligence when throwing around half-assed insults.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby europhile » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:59 am

You all remind me a bit of a 2-pack a day smoker who is shocked when the doctor walks in and tells him he has Stage IV lung cancer.


You've already said this line before. Come up with new shit. Are you not the low life drug addict that fled to Turkey or some shit to avoid paying the student loans you owed after attending some TTTT? Who the fuck are you to mock other people's life decisions? It's time to revaulate your life when you come to the same internet forum again and again (under different names because you have been banned) to anonymously kick people while they are down. You can't have much good going on in your life if this is how you spend your time, so contragulations on being a lonely, cowardly and lowely piece of shit.

Good luck to everyone in here still looking for work! I hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel for all of you.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby msridiculous447 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:05 am

Don't feed the trolls, doods. :twisted:

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby TJISMYHERO » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:10 am

sirpartner82 wrote:

It was common knowledge in 2009-2010 when you guys were applying to lawschool that it was a miserable, over-saturated field with long-shot odds of employment, and generally the most worthless and over-priced/overrated grad degree out there in the marketplace. Now this reckless & foolish decision has (predictably) blown up in your faces. You all remind me a bit of a 2-pack a day smoker who is shocked when the doctor walks in and tells him he has Stage IV lung cancer.

And things continue to get worse. A Biglaw partner thinks there is still a large over-capacity problem, to the tune of 10% or more:

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/risky-bu ... in-biglaw/


The only real question is how much more time/energy you're willing to sink into this debacle. Google the term "sunk cost" for more info.



You sir are truly an asshole. I would spend several paragraphs berating you for being an objectively worthless person, however I am confident you are beyond any possiblity of redemption.

Mods, the people on this thread are looking for camraderie and support in an incredibly tough time. This poster's lack of good sense deserves a permanent ban.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby chrisbru » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:27 am

TJISMYHERO wrote:
You sir are truly an asshole. I would spend several paragraphs berating you for being an objectively worthless person, however I am confident you are beyond any possiblity of redemption.

Mods, the people on this thread are looking for camraderie and support in an incredibly tough time. This poster's lack of good sense deserves a permanent ban.


Seconded.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby bjsesq » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:28 am

Stop addressing it. The post has been reported, so let the ban do the work for you.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Nightrunner » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:09 pm

sirpartner82 wrote:stuff

OK that's enough of your shit.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:22 pm

Spoke to CSO a few days ago about the 3L job search and the counselor was like, have you looked at alum's profiles on linkedin? Maybe you can start cold-emailing alums. And I'm like, thanks for that excellent advice that I would have never figured out on my own. And he's like, what exactly do you want from me? I don't have any more resources than you do for finding a job. And I'm thinking, then what exactly are you paid to do?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Spoke to CSO a few days ago about the 3L job search and the counselor was like, have you looked at alum's profiles on linkedin? Maybe you can start cold-emailing alums. And I'm like, thanks for that excellent advice that I would have never figured out on my own. And he's like, what exactly do you want from me? I don't have any more resources than you do for finding a job. And I'm thinking, then what exactly are you paid to do?


This is exactly why I've decided to stop dealing with them.




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