The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

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Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:51 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Hahaha Ever feel like you’re under-qualified for big law, morally above shitlaw, and over-qualified for damn near everything else?


I don't get the TLS belief that shitlaw is morally better than biglaw. They're both morally questionable, the difference being in biglaw you don't actually have to see the clients or witness the damage you've caused.


I don't think the above poster is arguing that small law is "morally better" than BigLaw. If anything, their "morally above shitlaw" claim suggests they view small law as morally worse.

FWIW I agree that most of BigLaw's probably better, morally speaking. It's generally large corporation v. large corporation (whether transactional or lit).


My mistake, I meant the opposite, that biglaw isn't really morally better than small law, despite the common belief here.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:32 pm

Keep mass mailing and following up with firms that have yet to reject you. I had mass mailed 300+ firms since August with nothing to show for it, until my latest round of follow-up emails, which led to interviews with two Big Law firms, and eventually to an offer. Don’t give up hope if you are still looking.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:43 pm

Got no-offered after a 2L summer big law job. Mass mailed, hustled aroud during breaks/weekends. Networked and used all my relationships - professors, classmates, contacts made during OCI. Got an offer from another big law firm 3-4 months from graduation. Currently hustling as a first-year associate.

Hang in there!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Got no-offered after a 2L summer big law job. Mass mailed, hustled aroud during breaks/weekends. Networked and used all my relationships - professors, classmates, contacts made during OCI. Got an offer from another big law firm 3-4 months from graduation. Currently hustling as a first-year associate.

Hang in there!


What was the move/chain of events that landed you at your current job?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:23 pm

I saw a bunch of job openings on simplicity and kept in regular touch with my career services (T14). Some of my professors reached out to the hiring partners and HR personally. After a long series of informal meetings and a ton of heartbreak, I landed a screener with a big law partner. The interview process took 4 months but it had a happy ending.

The biggest challenge was keeping my spirits up and being motivated during my 3L year. The things which helped me most were a couple of classes that I really loved and a very supportive circle of classmates.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:17 am

Anonymous User wrote:Keep mass mailing and following up with firms that have yet to reject you. I had mass mailed 300+ firms since August with nothing to show for it, until my latest round of follow-up emails, which led to interviews with two Big Law firms, and eventually to an offer. Don’t give up hope if you are still looking.


If you don’t mind, could you say which cities your two callbacks were in?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:21 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Keep mass mailing and following up with firms that have yet to reject you. I had mass mailed 300+ firms since August with nothing to show for it, until my latest round of follow-up emails, which led to interviews with two Big Law firms, and eventually to an offer. Don’t give up hope if you are still looking.


If you don’t mind, could you say which cities your two callbacks were in?


In a major Southern market (I.e. Dallas, Houston, Atlanta)

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby blcoleman » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:13 pm

Look outside your geographic area, inexperienced attorneys' are a dime a dozen...You have to get paid full time experience. I was getting no traction ( or at least not enough decent salary traction) in my geographic area. Ended up moving almost 1500 miles for a judicial clerkship, there are NO attorney's here ( yes I am in the frozen north) but I make over 50k as a law clerk and I KNOW I could get a job here after. But am currently looking at moving back down south now that I have this on my resume, its being much better received.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:35 pm

I completed a judicial clerkship in August and am still on the job hunt. So many interviews and nothing...very hard to retain any confidence when nothing has worked out.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I completed a judicial clerkship in August and am still on the job hunt. So many interviews and nothing...very hard to retain any confidence when nothing has worked out.


I am kind of in the same boat as you, except with worse credentials, but don't give up because I am not haha. So much of life is a war of attrition. Learn from each one. It will happen, it takes time. How many final rounds have you gotten to?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:14 am

Idk what else to do.

I just graduated in June, top 13% of my class (lower-tiered school), law review, moot court, passed the bar.....and I am still searching for an associate position.

I've been applying, networking, and interviewing like it's my job (and frankly, it has been), but nothing is sticking. I landed a couple interviews at big firms, but have either not heard back after following up or have been passed on.

I don't know what else to do, so any leads on entry-level associate positions or advice in general would be super great. I'm in the NYC/NJ area.

Additionally, it'd be great if someone could offer some guidance on resume gaps after grad. I was working as a graduate legal intern at a national organization up until last month, but have since resigned because I was missing too many face-to-face networking opportunities. Everyday that passes I get more nervous that everyone in the 2018 class is gaining experience and I'm still searching.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby FamilyLawEsq » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:07 pm

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:34 pm

This is really killing me. Looking since August, I went to a good school but some have told me it will be very hard to get a biglaw job. Others including people on hiring committees have said it's totally doable, will probably just be lower-tier biglaw. But I don't know how things will work out for me and I feel such anxiety about what I should be doing. If I can't get a decent firm I'd rather just retrain for some other career...I'm trying to build momentum to set up my plan B, but while it's uncertain whether this will work out it's been hard to really do what I need to do for that. Running out of money. I just hope something works out soon.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:29 pm

This has probably been asked to death 1000 times, but just for the sake of getting an updated answer, does anyone know if/when hiring picks up during the 3L year?

More specifically, does anyone know if there are firms (big/mid) that are known for picking up 3Ls and if so, when? (specifically wondering about NY/DC [DMV])

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:This has probably been asked to death 1000 times, but just for the sake of getting an updated answer, does anyone know if/when hiring picks up during the 3L year?

More specifically, does anyone know if there are firms (big/mid) that are known for picking up 3Ls and if so, when? (specifically wondering about NY/DC [DMV])


I am in a similar boat to you, but I have encountered several firms that said they hired through the spring or early summer. I have also been told that there is a time when hiring picks up in January/February though I have heard this mostly from clerks (seems to correspond to when bonuses go out). I have also been told that some firms hire laterals at a bunch of random times, if you can position yourself this way. If anyone more knowledgeable can correct me I welcome it.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby 2013 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:46 am

Anonymous User wrote:This is really killing me. Looking since August, I went to a good school but some have told me it will be very hard to get a biglaw job. Others including people on hiring committees have said it's totally doable, will probably just be lower-tier biglaw. But I don't know how things will work out for me and I feel such anxiety about what I should be doing. If I can't get a decent firm I'd rather just retrain for some other career...I'm trying to build momentum to set up my plan B, but while it's uncertain whether this will work out it's been hard to really do what I need to do for that. Running out of money. I just hope something works out soon.


You need to just try to find any legal job. If you’re the type of person who is biglaw or bust, you are probably thinking of “retraining” for management consulting or something, which won’t work:

It sounds like you graduated this year, so you should try to find any law job. People, especially in this economy, have been able to o from midlaw to biglaw fairly easily. Just get something for now and then try to build up a skill set that you can use in a year when you apply to biglaw.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:23 pm

The struggle is still very real out there. I am trying to move out of a smaller firm into a bigger one. Hoping to land something soon...



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