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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:15 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:I'm applying to a job posting that I've applied to before (it's a symplicity posting with a year-end deadline that gets refreshed every year). I was dinged via e-mail (before having a screener or anything) the first time I applied, which was last year. At the time, I was underqualified for the position. I am now qualified for the position and wish to apply again. The posting asks for a resume and cover letter. At any point should I indicate that I've applied before, or do I just treat the second application as an entirely new application? I assume the latter, but the idea of informing them "hey you have a file on me already and i'm now significantly more qualified" to save them time, etc. seems reasonable as well.


Anyone?

Edit: gonna try making a separate thread about this

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:37 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm applying to a job posting that I've applied to before (it's a symplicity posting with a year-end deadline that gets refreshed every year). I was dinged via e-mail (before having a screener or anything) the first time I applied, which was last year. At the time, I was underqualified for the position. I am now qualified for the position and wish to apply again. The posting asks for a resume and cover letter. At any point should I indicate that I've applied before, or do I just treat the second application as an entirely new application? I assume the latter, but the idea of informing them "hey you have a file on me already and i'm now significantly more qualified" to save them time, etc. seems reasonable as well.


Anyone?

Edit: gonna try making a separate thread about this


Treat as entirely new application. They go through so many applications that they probably won't remember looking at your resume.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:43 am
by 84651846190
Anonymous User wrote:Finally out of the vale! Got bar results yesterday and job offer today! Keep your heads up and keep applying. Best of luck to everyone!

Congrats, dude.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:24 pm
by MichelleMichelle
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm applying to a job posting that I've applied to before (it's a symplicity posting with a year-end deadline that gets refreshed every year). I was dinged via e-mail (before having a screener or anything) the first time I applied, which was last year. At the time, I was underqualified for the position. I am now qualified for the position and wish to apply again. The posting asks for a resume and cover letter. At any point should I indicate that I've applied before, or do I just treat the second application as an entirely new application? I assume the latter, but the idea of informing them "hey you have a file on me already and i'm now significantly more qualified" to save them time, etc. seems reasonable as well.


Anyone?

Edit: gonna try making a separate thread about this


Treat as entirely new application. They go through so many applications that they probably won't remember looking at your resume.


As far as the OP, I think both options would be fine. But many big firms use resume tracking software. You're right that they go through so many resumes that the recruiter will probably not remember you. But the software might catch a former application. I only mention it as a heads up to other people who may be dealing with this scenario. I did not know that when I was applying and I would have changed my application strategy if I had known.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:34 am
by Anonymous User
Finally out of the vale! About two months ago I sat down and mass mailed every firm in my city. Several of those e-mails turned into interviews, and one of those interviews just turned into an offer, and its with the best firm in town! I couldn't be happier. Keep at it, never give up, even when you feel like its hopeless and you will get something!

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:29 pm
by Dr. Nefario
Posted in last two weeks on Symplicity

Wilson Sonsini (Austin) - IP Lit
Nutter (Boston) - Private Client
Conn Kavanaugh (Boston) - General Lit

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:01 pm
by Anonymous User
So when does it become appropriate to start mass mailing smaller to mid-size firms in my city? I've been told most don't know what their needs will be until early next year. Or should I start to cultivate those relationships?

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:18 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:So when does it become appropriate to start mass mailing smaller to mid-size firms in my city? I've been told most don't know what their needs will be until early next year. Or should I start to cultivate those relationships?


cultivate those relationships, don't apply yet

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:35 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So when does it become appropriate to start mass mailing smaller to mid-size firms in my city? I've been told most don't know what their needs will be until early next year. Or should I start to cultivate those relationships?


cultivate those relationships, don't apply yet


What is good, general advice for how to cultivate relationships? I've never really known how to do that/what to say.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:51 pm
by Anonymous User
Any 3Ls out there just reading the comments in here feeling like shit after OCIs fell through?

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 am
by Anonymous User
Dr. Nefario wrote:Posted in last two weeks on Symplicity

Wilson Sonsini (Austin) - IP Lit
Nutter (Boston) - Private Client
Conn Kavanaugh (Boston) - General Lit


Has anybody heard back from Nutter Boston?

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:38 pm
by Anonymous User
I got my first rejection letter in a while today. I'm so used to just hearing nothing but I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I don't really feel anything anymore. All I know is I wish I were dead.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:59 pm
by SomewhatLearnedHand
Anonymous User wrote:I got my first rejection letter in a while today. I'm so used to just hearing nothing but I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I don't really feel anything anymore. All I know is I wish I were dead.


Idk if this is hyperbole or not, but if you need to vent or anything shoot a pm. Don't let your career define your worth.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:53 pm
by Anonymous User
SomewhatLearnedHand wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got my first rejection letter in a while today. I'm so used to just hearing nothing but I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I don't really feel anything anymore. All I know is I wish I were dead.


Idk if this is hyperbole or not, but if you need to vent or anything shoot a pm. Don't let your career define your worth.


Not hyperbole. I'm substitute teaching and barely avoiding homelessness. I'm going to have to put my student loan payments on credit cards here soon. I am miserable every second of every day. Going to law school has been the worst decision of my life. I am less employable than I was before I went.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:17 pm
by Anonymous User
Out of the Vale as a 3l with King County PD. Good luck to all of you. Keep fighting

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:18 pm
by Broncsfan
SomewhatLearnedHand wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got my first rejection letter in a while today. I'm so used to just hearing nothing but I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I don't really feel anything anymore. All I know is I wish I were dead.


Idk if this is hyperbole or not, but if you need to vent or anything shoot a pm. Don't let your career define your worth.


Same. Here for you if you need

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:19 pm
by andythefir
Anonymous User wrote:
SomewhatLearnedHand wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got my first rejection letter in a while today. I'm so used to just hearing nothing but I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I don't really feel anything anymore. All I know is I wish I were dead.


Idk if this is hyperbole or not, but if you need to vent or anything shoot a pm. Don't let your career define your worth.


Not hyperbole. I'm substitute teaching and barely avoiding homelessness. I'm going to have to put my student loan payments on credit cards here soon. I am miserable every second of every day. Going to law school has been the worst decision of my life. I am less employable than I was before I went.


Have you passed any bar?Have you moved your payments to an income based plan?

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:47 pm
by Pleasye
Anonymous User wrote:
SomewhatLearnedHand wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got my first rejection letter in a while today. I'm so used to just hearing nothing but I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I don't really feel anything anymore. All I know is I wish I were dead.


Idk if this is hyperbole or not, but if you need to vent or anything shoot a pm. Don't let your career define your worth.


Not hyperbole. I'm substitute teaching and barely avoiding homelessness. I'm going to have to put my student loan payments on credit cards here soon. I am miserable every second of every day. Going to law school has been the worst decision of my life. I am less employable than I was before I went.

if you are eligible for IBR/PAYE put your loans on those plans. feel free PM if you need to talk. Hang in there <3

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:48 pm
by Anonymous User
andythefir wrote:
Have you passed any bar?Have you moved your payments to an income based plan?

I passed my state bar. Been looking for anything I can but my schools CSO is worse than useless and have basically just told me to fuck off when I ask for help. Every dollar I earn goes to keeping a roof over my head so even ibr is too much. I'm looking for retail work but haven't been able to find anything. I don't have health insurance which is giving me panic attacks on top of everything else. I've sold most of my stuff on craigslist at this point, most of the money I had saved from my SA went to paying for the bar and Barbri which has been a massive waste of time and money. If i had been working during that time I'd be way better off now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:48 pm
by quirky
Anonymous User wrote:
andythefir wrote:
Have you passed any bar?Have you moved your payments to an income based plan?

I passed my state bar. Been looking for anything I can but my schools CSO is worse than useless and have basically just told me to fuck off when I ask for help. Every dollar I earn goes to keeping a roof over my head so even ibr is too much. I'm looking for retail work but haven't been able to find anything. I don't have health insurance which is giving me panic attacks on top of everything else. I've sold most of my stuff on craigslist at this point, most of the money I had saved from my SA went to paying for the bar and Barbri which has been a massive waste of time and money. If i had been working during that time I'd be way better off now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.


What state are you in?

ETA my firm is interviewing for one position right now. Pay isn't fabulous but great place to work and great experience.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:04 am
by CardozoLaw09
Anonymous User wrote:
andythefir wrote:
Have you passed any bar?Have you moved your payments to an income based plan?

I passed my state bar. Been looking for anything I can but my schools CSO is worse than useless and have basically just told me to fuck off when I ask for help. Every dollar I earn goes to keeping a roof over my head so even ibr is too much. I'm looking for retail work but haven't been able to find anything. I don't have health insurance which is giving me panic attacks on top of everything else. I've sold most of my stuff on craigslist at this point, most of the money I had saved from my SA went to paying for the bar and Barbri which has been a massive waste of time and money. If i had been working during that time I'd be way better off now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.


School range, grades?

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:14 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
andythefir wrote:
Have you passed any bar?Have you moved your payments to an income based plan?

I passed my state bar. Been looking for anything I can but my schools CSO is worse than useless and have basically just told me to fuck off when I ask for help. Every dollar I earn goes to keeping a roof over my head so even ibr is too much. I'm looking for retail work but haven't been able to find anything. I don't have health insurance which is giving me panic attacks on top of everything else. I've sold most of my stuff on craigslist at this point, most of the money I had saved from my SA went to paying for the bar and Barbri which has been a massive waste of time and money. If i had been working during that time I'd be way better off now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.



Keep fighting man. You will honestly make it. I know you will because you won't give up. The fact that you are on here and fighting makes me think you will be okay, Hang in there and fight

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:40 am
by worldtraveler
Pleasye wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
SomewhatLearnedHand wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got my first rejection letter in a while today. I'm so used to just hearing nothing but I'm not really sure how I feel about it. I don't really feel anything anymore. All I know is I wish I were dead.


Idk if this is hyperbole or not, but if you need to vent or anything shoot a pm. Don't let your career define your worth.


Not hyperbole. I'm substitute teaching and barely avoiding homelessness. I'm going to have to put my student loan payments on credit cards here soon. I am miserable every second of every day. Going to law school has been the worst decision of my life. I am less employable than I was before I went.

if you are eligible for IBR/PAYE put your loans on those plans. feel free PM if you need to talk. Hang in there <3


Yeah actually if you're substitute teaching enough hours these months of PAYE/IBR payments might even qualify toward public service loan forgiveness.

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:42 am
by Anonymous User
CardozoLaw09 wrote:
School range, grades?


Median top 30

Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:46 pm
by andythefir
Anonymous User wrote:
andythefir wrote:
Have you passed any bar?Have you moved your payments to an income based plan?

I passed my state bar. Been looking for anything I can but my schools CSO is worse than useless and have basically just told me to fuck off when I ask for help. Every dollar I earn goes to keeping a roof over my head so even ibr is too much. I'm looking for retail work but haven't been able to find anything. I don't have health insurance which is giving me panic attacks on top of everything else. I've sold most of my stuff on craigslist at this point, most of the money I had saved from my SA went to paying for the bar and Barbri which has been a massive waste of time and money. If i had been working during that time I'd be way better off now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.


I’m sorry you’re in this position. New Mexico’s 5th DA is hiring (http://nmdas.com/districts/fifth/index.html). Check New Mexico’s bar bulletin, there are usually several entry level job postings per week (https://www.nmbar.org/Nmstatebar/Public ... letin.aspx). You can start right away if you’ve passed the bar anywhere. I’m happy to answer any questions.