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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:48 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone started mass mailing yet? I am a rising 3L and just about to get started. Too early?



Slightly related question: if we struck out at OCI last summer, but mass-mailed tons of places, what is the protocol for mass-mailing now? I feel like I have already mass mailed the majority of, if not all of, the firms in the markets I want to work in. Do I mass mail again? Do I completely ignore them and look for others? Or just start afresh and pick new markets? I'm totally lost with how to proceed with this.. :cry: Any advice?


I would also like an answer to these two questions. If any Vale gurus have insight?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kellyfrost » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby mrs.miawallace » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:00 pm

kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



Lol "one" has a serious problem to begin with by going into an office without prior appointment. Even westlaw reps are not allowed to walk around in the office unattended. It doesn't depend on slightest bit of some conversational skills to be asked out of the office, the nature of being uninvited and irrelevant in a law firm setting requires security officers. I mean, imagining this happening in real life is just hilarious. Please don't think you are special at talking to people so that you can just show up in private properties lol lol

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kellyfrost » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:10 pm

mrs.miawallace wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



Lol "one" has a serious problem to begin with by going into an office without prior appointment. Even westlaw reps are not allowed to walk around in the office unattended. It doesn't depend on slightest bit of some conversational skills to be asked out of the office, the nature of being uninvited and irrelevant in a law firm setting requires security officers. I mean, imagining this happening in real life is just hilarious. Please don't think you are special at talking to people so that you can just show up in private properties lol lol


I'm not special at talking to people, nor do I claim to be. I personally did not use this approach to finding a job. I am passing along the story of two people who did this exact thing and ended up getting a job from it when they were striking out on all other avenues. Not once was security called. But, in the issue of full disclosure, if I remember correctly, one person actually visited eight offices before getting that one bite that landed him the job.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby mrs.miawallace » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:15 pm

kellyfrost wrote:
mrs.miawallace wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



Lol "one" has a serious problem to begin with by going into an office without prior appointment. Even westlaw reps are not allowed to walk around in the office unattended. It doesn't depend on slightest bit of some conversational skills to be asked out of the office, the nature of being uninvited and irrelevant in a law firm setting requires security officers. I mean, imagining this happening in real life is just hilarious. Please don't think you are special at talking to people so that you can just show up in private properties lol lol


I'm not special at talking to people, nor do I claim to be. I personally did not use this approach to finding a job. I am passing along the story of two people who did this exact thing and ended up getting a job from it when they were striking out on all other avenues. Not once was security called. But, in the issue of full disclosure, if I remember correctly, one person actually visited eight offices before getting that one bite that landed him the job.



well if I found one loiterer in my office I'm about to call security this second if the first attempt of eviction is disregarded. In any event, those anecdotes are too scary and absolutely don't work even in a gated community. They might get asked out, they might get black-listed for being a sheer disruption to work environment. I used "you" when I meant "one", obviously

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kellyfrost » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:18 pm

mrs.miawallace wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
mrs.miawallace wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



Lol "one" has a serious problem to begin with by going into an office without prior appointment. Even westlaw reps are not allowed to walk around in the office unattended. It doesn't depend on slightest bit of some conversational skills to be asked out of the office, the nature of being uninvited and irrelevant in a law firm setting requires security officers. I mean, imagining this happening in real life is just hilarious. Please don't think you are special at talking to people so that you can just show up in private properties lol lol


I'm not special at talking to people, nor do I claim to be. I personally did not use this approach to finding a job. I am passing along the story of two people who did this exact thing and ended up getting a job from it when they were striking out on all other avenues. Not once was security called. But, in the issue of full disclosure, if I remember correctly, one person actually visited eight offices before getting that one bite that landed him the job.



well if I found one loiterer in my office I'm about to call security this second if the first attempt of eviction is disregarded. In any event, those anecdotes are too scary and absolutely don't work even in a gated community. They might get asked out, they might get black-listed for being a sheer disruption to work environment. I used "you" when I meant "one", obviously


I didn't think it was that obvious. It said "you" so I assumed you meant to type "you." Because if you didn't mean "you" you certainly understand that you could have used "one."

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:24 pm

kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



I mean. did you mean "me" as in my individual capacity? Dont get sensitive brother

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kellyfrost » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



I mean. did you mean "me" as in my individual capacity? Dont get sensitive brother


If you have security called on you for simply showing up to an office, then yes that applies to you. Read the message in its entirety.

Anyways, I am done defending my suggestion or story. As it has been pointed out, this probably isn't the most effective strategy and would not be successful for many people, if any at all.

Let the Vale of Tears thread continue on and I hope everyone finds gainful employment.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:14 pm

officially out of the vale, big law major market, keep hustling guys, there's hope!!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:14 pm

officially out of the vale, big law major market, keep hustling guys, there's hope!!

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:26 pm

that feel when you thought you were a good candidate for a job but you still see postings for it a month later :(

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby lawman84 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:15 pm

kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



I mean. did you mean "me" as in my individual capacity? Dont get sensitive brother


If you have security called on you for simply showing up to an office, then yes that applies to you. Read the message in its entirety.

Anyways, I am done defending my suggestion or story. As it has been pointed out, this probably isn't the most effective strategy and would not be successful for many people, if any at all.

Let the Vale of Tears thread continue on and I hope everyone finds gainful employment.


Yea, this conversation took a weird turn. I'm not sure how this strategy would result in getting security called on you. I think it would result in a lot of rejections to your face, which would suck. But all you're doing is approaching the receptionist, asking if they're hiring, and leaving your resume/contact information with them. That's not going to get security called on you. I don't think anyone is recommending a person go into the office building and try to sneak into the Managing Partner's office. :lol:

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kellyfrost » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:11 am

lawman84 wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



I mean. did you mean "me" as in my individual capacity? Dont get sensitive brother


If you have security called on you for simply showing up to an office, then yes that applies to you. Read the message in its entirety.

Anyways, I am done defending my suggestion or story. As it has been pointed out, this probably isn't the most effective strategy and would not be successful for many people, if any at all.

Let the Vale of Tears thread continue on and I hope everyone finds gainful employment.


Yea, this conversation took a weird turn. I'm not sure how this strategy would result in getting security called on you. I think it would result in a lot of rejections to your face, which would suck. But all you're doing is approaching the receptionist, asking if they're hiring, and leaving your resume/contact information with them. That's not going to get security called on you. I don't think anyone is recommending a person go into the office building and try to sneak into the Managing Partner's office. :lol:


I was confused by the turn the conversation took as well. Oh well.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kaysta » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:32 am

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:37 am

Anonymous User wrote:officially out of the vale, big law major market, keep hustling guys, there's hope!!


Congrats! 3L or grad?


How did you get the offer, if I may ask?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby tyroneslothrop1 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:40 pm

I went to the office of the firm (where I now work) to drop off my resume and speak to whomever, if possible. The thought was they'd see that I'm interested and not a complete freak. The hiring partner was out of the office so I left my resume with reception and left. Called in for interview later in the week.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Rlabo » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:36 pm

FYI King & Spalding entry level in Atlanta for finance group http://www.gobiglaw.com/jobs/402933-ent ... g-spalding

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kellyfrost » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:08 pm

tyroneslothrop1 wrote:I went to the office of the firm (where I now work) to drop off my resume and speak to whomever, if possible. The thought was they'd see that I'm interested and not a complete freak. The hiring partner was out of the office so I left my resume with reception and left. Called in for interview later in the week.


No way! This obviously isn't true. You made this up. According two people on this forum you either wouldn't have been hired, had security called on you and escorted out, or both.

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Kratos » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone started mass mailing yet? I am a rising 3L and just about to get started. Too early?



Slightly related question: if we struck out at OCI last summer, but mass-mailed tons of places, what is the protocol for mass-mailing now? I feel like I have already mass mailed the majority of, if not all of, the firms in the markets I want to work in. Do I mass mail again? Do I completely ignore them and look for others? Or just start afresh and pick new markets? I'm totally lost with how to proceed with this.. :cry: Any advice?


I would also like an answer to these two questions. If any Vale gurus have insight?

mass mail everywhere again

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:01 pm

Fwiw I think the in-person"cold call" resume drop would have been fine and possibly fruitful at the small Midwestern firm I worked at doing consumer/crimlaw and stuff. 8 or 9 attys. My personal boss (I was a para then) probably would have talked with you on the spot unless she were busy

But probably would have been a waste of time at the big/midlaw firms I've since worked at

Lol at anyone calling security on a job seeker

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby kaysta » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:14 am

kellyfrost wrote:
tyroneslothrop1 wrote:I went to the office of the firm (where I now work) to drop off my resume and speak to whomever, if possible. The thought was they'd see that I'm interested and not a complete freak. The hiring partner was out of the office so I left my resume with reception and left. Called in for interview later in the week.


No way! This obviously isn't true. You made this up. According two people on this forum you either wouldn't have been hired, had security called on you and escorted out, or both.


eta whatever man its 1955 still in your mind
[it's not "security" you should be worried about-what, some guy with like a radio maybe]

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:35 am

Kratos wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone started mass mailing yet? I am a rising 3L and just about to get started. Too early?



Slightly related question: if we struck out at OCI last summer, but mass-mailed tons of places, what is the protocol for mass-mailing now? I feel like I have already mass mailed the majority of, if not all of, the firms in the markets I want to work in. Do I mass mail again? Do I completely ignore them and look for others? Or just start afresh and pick new markets? I'm totally lost with how to proceed with this.. :cry: Any advice?


I would also like an answer to these two questions. If any Vale gurus have insight?

mass mail everywhere again


Is July too early for rising 3Ls to do this? Should we wait until August?

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby mrs.miawallace » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:56 am

kellyfrost wrote:
lawman84 wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:People calling securities is what's gonna happen if you show up with resume in hands. That's called soliciting and in some states constitutes criminal trespass.


If you show up to an office and ask to meet with someone and the discussion with either the secretary or one of the attorneys, or whoever you come into contact with gets away from you to the point that they have to call security... you have other problems that are probably going to make it more difficult to find a job.

Maybe it is a "baby boomer" mentality, I guess I hadn't thought about that before.



I mean. did you mean "me" as in my individual capacity? Dont get sensitive brother


If you have security called on you for simply showing up to an office, then yes that applies to you. Read the message in its entirety.

Anyways, I am done defending my suggestion or story. As it has been pointed out, this probably isn't the most effective strategy and would not be successful for many people, if any at all.

Let the Vale of Tears thread continue on and I hope everyone finds gainful employment.


Yea, this conversation took a weird turn. I'm not sure how this strategy would result in getting security called on you. I think it would result in a lot of rejections to your face, which would suck. But all you're doing is approaching the receptionist, asking if they're hiring, and leaving your resume/contact information with them. That's not going to get security called on you. I don't think anyone is recommending a person go into the office building and try to sneak into the Managing Partner's office. :lol:


I was confused by the turn the conversation took as well. Oh well.



LOL

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Kratos » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:55 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone started mass mailing yet? I am a rising 3L and just about to get started. Too early?



Slightly related question: if we struck out at OCI last summer, but mass-mailed tons of places, what is the protocol for mass-mailing now? I feel like I have already mass mailed the majority of, if not all of, the firms in the markets I want to work in. Do I mass mail again? Do I completely ignore them and look for others? Or just start afresh and pick new markets? I'm totally lost with how to proceed with this.. :cry: Any advice?


I would also like an answer to these two questions. If any Vale gurus have insight?

mass mail everywhere again


Is July too early for rising 3Ls to do this? Should we wait until August?

I dont think it really matters. You'll probably just get more responses to follow up later if you apply in July, as opposed to straight dings in August or beyond. Or at least that's how it went for me.

if youre working in your target market and will be leaving in August, I'd definitely apply in July to try and get interviews before you bounce though

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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)

Postby Easy-E » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:48 pm

Whats a good a site for searching ALL firms, not just NLJ or the top 100? I know their used to be a program called Resume Launchpad that was pretty good about finding small/mid-size firms, but it appears to be defunct.

Also, got an interview with a small firm next week. They said they were considering recent JDs so I assume it won't be another waste of time where they say "oh but I need an attorney who can start now". Well, did you even look at my resume or cover letter you halfwit? Because it only says something to that effect four times.

On a similar (but less mad) note, I also had a very positive call with a partner from a small local firm. They said they were very interested, but that they were trying to fill the position asap. She also mentioned they would be willing to hire me in some clerking role prior to bar admission though, so now I'm just checking their site every week to see if they hired a new associate...




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