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Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:52 am

Shoot.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby grrrstick » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:54 am

What do you think went wrong? What are you looking at doing now?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:57 am

I will still work for a large firm. Fortunately I arranged interviews outside of the OCI process.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:58 am

What market is the school in?

What markets did you bid/interview in?

How many screeners did you get?

How many callbacks did you end up with?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby marlborofillet » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:02 am

What markets did you bid on?

How deep do OCI firms usually dip into your school (e.g. top 20%)?

Godspeed.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby rouser » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:05 am

do you consider yourself to be generally charming/good with interviews?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:06 am

What might have gone wrong:

- bad/mediocre OCI interviews (obviously)
- intense competition among classmates for the same firms in the same markets
- failutre to show enthusiasm for the firm. Enthusiasm is really important. Not necessarily rah rah. But I think you need to convey the point: "you're my #1 choice and I would definitely work here if you gave me an offer."

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:10 am

Did you do any CBs?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:12 am

Anonymous User wrote:What might have gone wrong:

- bad/mediocre OCI interviews (obviously)
- intense competition among classmates for the same firms in the same markets
- failutre to show enthusiasm for the firm. Enthusiasm is really important. Not necessarily rah rah. But I think you need to convey the point: "you're my #1 choice and I would definitely work here if you gave me an offer."


That is terrible logic.

Anonymous User wrote:What market is the school in?

What markets did you bid/interview in?

How many screeners did you get?

How many callbacks did you end up with?


This. We need the answers to these questions. If the OP only had two-three screeners in small markets, no wonder he/she struck out...

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby PinkCow » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:17 am

Looks on 1-10?

Social skills on 1-10?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Flips88 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:19 am

Anonymous User wrote:- failutre to show enthusiasm for the firm. Enthusiasm is really important. Not necessarily rah rah. But I think you need to convey the point: "you're my #1 choice and I would definitely work here if you gave me an offer."

Just gonna say this isn't the best advice. I did it for my #1 choice at OCI and didn't even get a callback. Not sure if that was the reason but it can either make you look desperate or maybe even presumptuous

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:22 am

Interviewed with ~15 NY firms at OCI. Landed 3 callbacks. Firms generally dip to median.

One big and somewhat obvious takeaway: if you interview with firms that are willing to fly back kids at or below median (in other words if you go to a t14), then top 15% + LR will not win you the callback over another kid the interviewer genuinely bonded with.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby sunynp » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:26 am

Anonymous User wrote:What might have gone wrong:

- bad/mediocre OCI interviews (obviously)
- intense competition among classmates for the same firms in the same markets
- failutre to show enthusiasm for the firm. Enthusiasm is really important. Not necessarily rah rah. But I think you need to convey the point: "you're my #1 choice and I would definitely work here if you gave me an offer."


Re: intense competition for spots- how many spots are we talking about here?

My idea is that it isn't so much the competition as it is the very limited number of jobs available. I think people over - estimate the number of jobs available at big firms through OCI. Not everyone with the right credentials is going to get a job through OCI. Sometimes people seem to feel that getting a job is like school admissions - once you have the numbers you are in somewhere, but hiring is an entirely different process.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:27 am

I consider myself a handsome guy. ;)

Social skills are fine. Probably better than most people here. Though I'm somewhat soft-spoken and don't follow sports (which possibly hurt me at one particular callback dinner).

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby rouser » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:29 am

Anonymous User wrote:I consider myself a handsome guy. ;)

Social skills are fine. Probably better than most people here. Though I'm somewhat soft-spoken and don't follow sports (which possibly hurt me at one particular callback dinner).

were you selling yourself towards a certain practice area?
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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:30 am

Are you sure you struck out? Have you received rejection letters yet?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby EvilClinton » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:33 am

Anonymous User wrote:Interviewed with ~15 NY firms at OCI. Landed 3 callbacks. Firms generally dip to median.

One big and somewhat obvious takeaway: if you interview with firms that are willing to fly back kids at or below median (in other words if you go to a t14), then top 15% + LR will not win you the callback over another kid the interviewer genuinely bonded with.

This literally makes no sense.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:34 am

Re: number of spots - Let's see. A firm with 40 interview slots seemed to callback 5-7 candidates.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:53 am

EvilClinton wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Interviewed with ~15 NY firms at OCI. Landed 3 callbacks. Firms generally dip to median.

One big and somewhat obvious takeaway: if you interview with firms that are willing to fly back kids at or below median (in other words if you go to a t14), then top 15% + LR will not win you the callback over another kid the interviewer genuinely bonded with.

This literally makes no sense.


Why are you confused?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:55 am

I sold myself towards general corporate.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby NYC2014 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:03 am

Two questions, OP:

1) Scale 1-10, how straight, white, and male are you? I'd bet my family's farm that you're going to say 10. (Discriminators against straight white males gonna discriminate, nomsayin?)

2) Do you blame Obama?

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:03 am

Anonymous User wrote:
EvilClinton wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Interviewed with ~15 NY firms at OCI. Landed 3 callbacks. Firms generally dip to median.

One big and somewhat obvious takeaway: if you interview with firms that are willing to fly back kids at or below median (in other words if you go to a t14), then top 15% + LR will not win you the callback over another kid the interviewer genuinely bonded with.

This literally makes no sense.


Why are you confused?


The statement seems right to me. It's definitely true at Texas. I significantly outperformed people on LR with much better grades because my personality clicked with more firms.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:06 am

at the risk of outing myself I am straight, white, average height, male. sup bro.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby NYC2014 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:at the risk of outing myself I am straight, white, average height, male. sup bro.


All joking aside, the amount of blatant, overt discrimination in law firm hiring is outrageous. I really feel like I've overcome strong institutional adversity by succeeding as a straight white male.

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Re: Top 15%, LR, T20 - struck out at OCI and taking questions

Postby grrrstick » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:12 am

Anonymous User wrote:I sold myself towards general corporate.


I hear this from people, and I never know what it means. Did you tell them you want transactional work generally? Or do you mean governance/securities/m&a/finance? Do the firms you were interviewing at split up corporate practice areas, and if so, do you think it hurt you that all you could say was you wanted general corporate?




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