2012 Clerkship Application Thread

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:59 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Is it highly inadvisable to cancel an interview without having the excuse of an offer?


What's the reason for canceling?


It would be to instead interview with one of my top choices.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:04 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone heard from Judge Sidney Thomas on the 9th Circuit?

I know of at least two people who received invitations to interview with Judge Thomas.


When?

I don't know exactly, but before 1 pm Eastern time.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:11 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Alum here. Just wanted to throw a few encouraging words out here.

I applied from HYS for 2012-13 clerkships as a 3L, but unfortunately struck out. Two things I wanted to point out. First, even though the vast majority of calls/e-mails have indeed already gone out today, just bear in mind that some will still be coming in the next week or so. I got an interview offer from a CD Cal judge (that I was able to parlay into an interview with another CD Cal judge) the Monday after the first wave of calls. I also received an interview offer from a D Mass judge at the end of September.

Second, don't lose heart if you don't land a clerkship immediately. I was very distraught at not getting anything for 2012-13, but I reapplied for 2013-14 clerkships as an alum and was extremely fortunate to land a district court clerkship in an extremely competitive east coast market. Just be persistent.


What do you recommend to do to be "persistent?"


By persistent, I mean don't give up if you don't nab a clerkship for the term you want. Like everyone else, I really wanted a good clerkship for the year right after I graduated, but that just wasn't in the cards. So I worked hard during my 3L fall (much to my chagrin), made pretty good grades, and sent out more applications in March, April, and May of 2012. Thankfully, I landed an awesome clerkship for 2013-14, and I even had to turn down a few other offers afterwards. Applying as an alum is definitely easier than doing so on the "Plan."


Where did you work in 2012-2013?


NYC V5 firm.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What exactly are parlay calls? Is this something I really should know?


Parlay calls are when you get an interview with a judge in a city (preferably not your own) and call other judges in the same courthouse (or maybe nearby cities too) that you applied to and say that you got an interview with one judge in that courthouse and were wondering if the judge had any openings that day. At the very least, you will find out that the judge already hired or you will at least call attention to your application. It worked for me when I called the chambers of a judge where I had strong local ties.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:12 pm

SDNY/DE Bankruptcy call here today.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:13 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Is it highly inadvisable to cancel an interview without having the excuse of an offer?


What's the reason for canceling?


It would be to instead interview with one of my top choices.


Interested in this question too.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:17 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:What exactly are parlay calls? Is this something I really should know?


Parlay calls are when you get an interview with a judge in a city (preferably not your own) and call other judges in the same courthouse (or maybe nearby cities too) that you applied to and say that you got an interview with one judge in that courthouse and were wondering if the judge had any openings that day. At the very least, you will find out that the judge already hired or you will at least call attention to your application. It worked for me when I called the chambers of a judge where I had strong local ties.


Is there any way to parlay without a first interview? I live in the city where I did most of my applications, is there any way to turn "I'm just next door, do you have any extra interview spots?" into something that doesn't sound pathetic and that might actually work?

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:45 pm

Anyone hear from Judge Dennis on the Fifth Circuit?

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone hear from Judge Dennis on the Fifth Circuit?


He hired a rising 3L two weeks ago, despite being purportedly on-plan.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:49 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone heard from Judge Sidney Thomas on the 9th Circuit?

I know of at least two people who received invitations to interview with Judge Thomas.


Would you by any chance feel comfortable letting me know which schools those two people went to? Thanks for the info.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:SDNY/DE Bankruptcy call here today.
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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:57 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any word on if Judge Ann Williams of the 7th Circuit has made any calls yet?

Yes, she has.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:18 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone hear from Judge Dennis on the Fifth Circuit?


He hired a rising 3L two weeks ago, despite being purportedly on-plan.


Does that mean he's done, or is there another position open?

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:48 pm

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kalvano wrote:I expect nothing. If I get anything, I will literally weep.


I might be the most hail mary candidate on this thread but my theory is, if you don't play, you can't win. And besides hours of my life spent uploading docs to OSCAR (and a few sheets of resume paper), it didn't cost me a dime.

T2, Top 25%, EIC of secondary
Applied to 60 district and magistrates in cities I have ties to

I haven't refreshed TLS this much since April of 0L.


Got a call from EDPa at noon on the dot. Hung up the phone and ran around in circles. This can't be my life.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:48 pm

CD Cal call within the last hour.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:CD Cal call within the last hour.


LA, Santa Ana, or Riverside?

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:56 pm

A fellow LRer just got a call and an offer for D.Ct. (no interview) at 656. Combined with the Cali offer above, it makes it difficult to call it a day and go have a few rounds.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:02 pm

According to my school's career people, these judges have called:

CA1 — Providence
Selya

CA2 — New Haven
Calabresi
Carney
CA2 — New York
Chin
Jacobs
Katzmann
Livingston
Lohier
CA2 — Syracuse
Pooler

CA3 — Santa Barbara
Aldisert
CA3 — Wilmington
Jordan
CA3 — Philadelphia
Scirica

CA5 — New Orleans
Higginson
CA5 — Jackson
Jolly

CA6 — Louisville
Boggs

CA7 — Chicago
Williams

CA9 — San Francisco
Bea
CA9 — Pasadena
Kozinski

CADC
Brown
Ginsburg
Griffith
Kavanaugh
Williams

FED
Dyk
Newman
Prost

M.D.Ala. — Montgomery
Fuller

C.D.Cal. — Los Angeles
King
Morrow
Pfaelzer
Wilson

E.D.Cal. — Sacramento
Shubb

N.D.Cal. — San Francisco
Alsup

D.Conn. — Bridgeport
Hall
Underhill

D.D.C. — Washington
Contreras
Leon
Roberts

N.D.Ga. — Atlanta
Thrash

W.D.La. — Lafayette/Brooklyn
Melancon

D.Md. — Baltimore
Hollander
Motz

D.Mass. — Boston
Gorton
D.Mass — Worcester
Saylor

W.D.Mo. — Kansas City
Kays

D.Nev. — Las Vegas
Du

D.N.H. — Concord
Barbadoro

D.N.J. — Camden
Kugler
Simandle

E.D.N.Y. — Brooklyn
Amon
Brodie
Dearie
Garaufis
Vitaliano

S.D.N.Y. — New York
Abrams
Baer
Castel
Cedarbaum
Forrest
Furman
Kaplan
Koeltl
McMahon
Nathan
Oetken
Patterson
Rakoff
Stein
Sullivan
S.D.N.Y. — White Plains
Karas
Seibel

N.D.Ohio — Cleveland
Gwin
Oliver
Polster

E.D.Pa. — Philadelphia
DuBois
Schiller
Yohn

M.D.Tenn. — Nashville
Nixon

W.D.Tenn. — Memphis
McCalla

N.D.Tex. — Dallas
Fitzwater

S.D.Tex. — Houston
Gilmore

W.D.Wash. — Seattle
Coughenour

S.D.W.Va. — Huntington
Chambers

Mag. C.D.Cal. — Los Angeles
Abrams

Mag. S.D.N.Y. — New York
Francis

Me. Supreme — Portland

Del. Supreme — Dover
Steele

Del. Chancery — Wilmington
Laster
Parsons
Strine

N.H. Supreme

N.J. Supreme — Morristown
LaVecchia
N.J. Supreme — Trenton
Rabner

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:07 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:CD Cal call within the last hour.


LA, Santa Ana, or Riverside?

LA

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is there any way to publicly find phone numbers for judges for parlaying? My school keeps an incomplete list, with some numbers missing and others incorrect (although a few are correct), and I can't call the main clerk's office person more than once without being impolite...


Judicial Yellow Book - your school library should have it in print or have online access for it.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:EDVa breakdown from my knowledge

Judge Allen - Not Hiring
Judge Brinkema - Hired
Judge Davis - Hired
Judge Gibney - Hired
Judge Hudson - Hired
Judge Jackson - Calling
Judge Lee - Unknown (preference for alums)
Judge O'Grady - Unknown
Judge Smith - Hired
Judge Spencer - Unknown
Judge Trenga - Unknown


Judge Ellis (carries 100% case load) finished in early April for '13-'14 and Judge Cacheris (carries ~85% case load) typically only hires alums.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:20 pm

Are there stats on interview/offer ratios for judges?

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I know a few alums whose clerkship cycle started as far back as May, so I figure I'll save some of you the stress and tell you which courts I know for a fact were heavy on the alum hires or have hired so far in advance that they are not entertaining applications from people who aren't up for clerking 2+ years from now:

5th Cir.
6th Cir.
EDPA
7th Cir.
M.D. Fla.
M.D. Tenn.
EDVA
3rd Cir.
SDNY
EDNY
D. Conn.

I hope this helps 2Ls/3Ls not feel too bad. Many positions are filled even before the official clerkship season begins, so not hearing from anyone isn't always a reflection on your merits.


I would add that the majority of the 4th Cir. hired long before the plan this year, two out of the three Boston 1st Cir judges were interviewing alums in June of this year, and much of the 10th Cir hired in June/July this year.

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:According to my school's career people, these judges have called:

CA1 — Providence
Selya

CA2 — New Haven
Calabresi
Carney
CA2 — New York
Chin
Jacobs
Katzmann
Livingston
Lohier
CA2 — Syracuse
Pooler

CA3 — Santa Barbara
Aldisert
CA3 — Wilmington
Jordan
CA3 — Philadelphia
Scirica

CA5 — New Orleans
Higginson
CA5 — Jackson
Jolly

CA6 — Louisville
Boggs

CA7 — Chicago
Williams

CA9 — San Francisco
Bea
CA9 — Pasadena
Kozinski

CADC
Brown
Ginsburg
Griffith
Kavanaugh
Williams

FED
Dyk
Newman
Prost

M.D.Ala. — Montgomery
Fuller

C.D.Cal. — Los Angeles
King
Morrow
Pfaelzer
Wilson

E.D.Cal. — Sacramento
Shubb

N.D.Cal. — San Francisco
Alsup

D.Conn. — Bridgeport
Hall
Underhill

D.D.C. — Washington
Contreras
Leon
Roberts

N.D.Ga. — Atlanta
Thrash

W.D.La. — Lafayette/Brooklyn
Melancon

D.Md. — Baltimore
Hollander
Motz

D.Mass. — Boston
Gorton
D.Mass — Worcester
Saylor

W.D.Mo. — Kansas City
Kays

D.Nev. — Las Vegas
Du

D.N.H. — Concord
Barbadoro

D.N.J. — Camden
Kugler
Simandle

E.D.N.Y. — Brooklyn
Amon
Brodie
Dearie
Garaufis
Vitaliano

S.D.N.Y. — New York
Abrams
Baer
Castel
Cedarbaum
Forrest
Furman
Kaplan
Koeltl
McMahon
Nathan
Oetken
Patterson
Rakoff
Stein
Sullivan
S.D.N.Y. — White Plains
Karas
Seibel

N.D.Ohio — Cleveland
Gwin
Oliver
Polster

E.D.Pa. — Philadelphia
DuBois
Schiller
Yohn

M.D.Tenn. — Nashville
Nixon

W.D.Tenn. — Memphis
McCalla

N.D.Tex. — Dallas
Fitzwater

S.D.Tex. — Houston
Gilmore

W.D.Wash. — Seattle
Coughenour

S.D.W.Va. — Huntington
Chambers

Mag. C.D.Cal. — Los Angeles
Abrams

Mag. S.D.N.Y. — New York
Francis

Me. Supreme — Portland

Del. Supreme — Dover
Steele

Del. Chancery — Wilmington
Laster
Parsons
Strine

N.H. Supreme

N.J. Supreme — Morristown
LaVecchia
N.J. Supreme — Trenton
Rabner


Awesome post.

Does anyone else know if Judge Kearse on the 2nd circuit has made any calls?

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Re: 2012 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:38 pm

Applying as graduate (May 2012)
School: T50-ish
Rank: top 15%
L. Rev.: secondary, board
Applied to E.D. Tex., N.D. Tex., and D. Nev.

Got a call for interview from Judge Michael Schneider (E.D. Tex., Tyler) around 5:30 p.m. CDT.




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