BruceWayne wrote:somewhatwayward wrote:look, man, you are extrapolating from your own experience onto everyone. it's not like bottom 20% is a rosy place to be for anyone, but 92% of people got offers at EIP at CLS last year. that (obviously) included some some bottom 20% people. (yes, not everyone did EIP but lots of the people who opted out were people with median or better grades who wanted PI or gov).
and URM can help below median people. i personally know three URMs at CLS who were bottom 20% after 1L who landed V100 jobs (two of them V50). yes, anecdotes are anecdotes, but if your blanket statements were true, then these people would've had no hope because these were below supposed hard cutoffs.
That 92 % epi is TLS rumor. If you look at the nlj stats not even 80 percent of CLS has a firm job.
And I'm afraid, by and large, you're wrong. Most people below median at top 14 (excluding HYS) do not get biglaw. I know a ton of people below median at UVA, almost none of them have a firm job. The one's that do had serious professional work experience, wrote onto law review, are bilingual or have major connections. A TON of people graduated last May with no job. Many of them are URM. Sorry but TLS's glamourizing of the top 14 (with the exception of HYS) as being schools were grades don't prevent you from unemployment--are just internet circle jerking. Bad grades--barring IP or exceptional connections means no firm job and lucky to get anything quite frankly. Something like 30 percent of the class of 2012 is working via the PI "fellowship" that UVA does. The bottom line is that firms have VERY hard cutoffs which they will not go below barring incredible connections or IP.
no, 92% is from EIP last year, which is class of 2013. that number was confirmed by CSO. the numbers you are looking at are class of 2011. even if you're looking at 75% good outcomes for class of 2011, that does not map directly onto the top 75% of the class. there were bottom 20% CLSers in that 75%, some of whom were doubtlessly URM (not bc URM = low grades but bc they are presumably spread throughout the class).
so, yeah.....grades not be all-end all; URM helps; yadda yadda. i still wouldn't advocate for anyone to blithely attend CLS without considering other, cheaper law school options or other non-law options, though.