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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:55 pm

No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby EvilClinton » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:56 pm

Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

Did they say why you were no offered?

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:57 pm

Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

I have the first part of your problem (at a V50), I would give an arm to have the blow to my ego of settling for a V100.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby EvilClinton » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

I have the first part of your problem (at a V50), I would give an arm to have the blow to my ego of settling for a V100.

Did they give you a reason why when they no offered you?

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby 09042014 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:06 pm

Eh, Latham is v10, but it's not V10 V10.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby thesealocust » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:14 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Eh, Latham is v10, but it's not V10 V10.


They let Latham be V10 again?

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby 09042014 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:14 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Eh, Latham is v10, but it's not V10 V10.


They let Latham be V10 again?


Yes.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:23 pm

EvilClinton wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.


Did they say why you were no offered?


I had one bad review (Which completely blindsided me as all along the partner was offering positive feedback. Passive aggressive mfer).

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:25 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

I have the first part of your problem (at a V50), I would give an arm to have the blow to my ego of settling for a V100.


True. I realize I'm "lucky" but going to a T-6 school and having the opportunity at a V10 I fail like an absolute failure.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:30 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

I have the first part of your problem (at a V50), I would give an arm to have the blow to my ego of settling for a V100.


True. I realize I'm "lucky" but going to a T-6 school and having the opportunity at a V10 I fail like an absolute failure.


Also no-offered by Latham. Would happily take a v100 at this point.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby mths » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

I have the first part of your problem (at a V50), I would give an arm to have the blow to my ego of settling for a V100.


True. I realize I'm "lucky" but going to a T-6 school and having the opportunity at a V10 I fail like an absolute failure.


Also no-offered by Latham. Would happily take a v100 at this point.

Wow Latham is rackin em up

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Tanicius » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
EvilClinton wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.


Did they say why you were no offered?


I had one bad review (Which completely blindsided me as all along the partner was offering positive feedback. Passive aggressive mfer).


God that sucks. Larger offices are really intimidating to me because of that kind of thing.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby romothesavior » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

This is so ridiculous that I can't help but think you're trolling. If not, then wow... this is one of the more pathetic posts I've seen on TLS. You should be thrilled right now. I understand feeling disappointed at the no-offer, but who cares about the "drop" and the Vault ranking. I know TLSers and lawyers are prestige whores, but c'mon man.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby BruceWayne » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:52 pm

rayiner wrote:
$$$$$$ wrote:
IAFG wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:

PLEASE stop posting this king of TLS hearsay garbage--because it's NOT TRUE and it helps to convince people to make very bad decisions.

:?: I can say with confidence MOST people in my section got an SA at a market-paying firm.


I can say with confidence that I KNOW kids in the top 20% at T-10's that didnt get any firm offers. Shit isnt that great, but its better than it was a few years ago. If anything its going to get much, much worse in the coming months (i.e. the entire eurozone is fucked beyond belief)


And I know kids from my class who were well below median and got market or near-market jobs. If there is a TLS myth on this thread, it's the idea that firms care so much more about grades that they do. There is no sufficient level of grades that guarantee big law, and the necessary level, when you have everything else going for you, is quite low indeed.

I'm kind of surprised you're saying this, but considering (at least from the vibe I get from you) you have good grades and you have that lifesaver known as IP going for you I can understand why you would say this. However, grades are almost everything. Now I think what some people don't get is that they don't guarantee you will get anything. But nothing does. However, they can guarantee that you WON'T get something. Many many (if not most) law firms simply WILL NOT hire someone below a certain GPA threshold barring amazing connections like the below poster mentioned. I know this for a fact from personal experience. I'm talking you can ace the interview, have rock solid ties, and be from a non HYS top 14 and the people you interviewed with can love you. But if you do not meet those cutoffs then you're, quite simply, dead in the water. No questions asked. This is especially true at the big vault NYC and DC firms. I know many people in that situation right now, and many who graduated UVA with no job at all because of it. Literally nothing but their grades.

Anonymous User wrote:There are pretty much no kids in my class that were well below median (bottom 20%) that got biglaw, unless their uncle is a partner, they were ibankers, or they were IP. Even then, I had friends struggle till the last week in october before they got something. I have a friend who networked his ass off, got callbacks at huge nyc firms with shit grades and had multiple hiring partners call him to say that everyone really liked him, but that unless he has a legit reason, his grades just dont cut it. I honestly think you are dead wrong and I think it's easy to say this when you have the luxury of an IP gig or you worked for a client of the firm for 3 years.


Yeah it's the same at my top 10. And I really appreciate that you didn't throw in URM onto that exception list--it shows that you're probably a 3L or a grad. FYI I had interviewers/partners tell me the EXACT same thing--except that there really was no legit reason excuse exception allowed. Hell I know people who were dropped AFTER summering because of GPA decreases.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:06 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

This is so ridiculous that I can't help but think you're trolling. If not, then wow... this is one of the more pathetic posts I've seen on TLS. You should be thrilled right now. I understand feeling disappointed at the no-offer, but who cares about the "drop" and the Vault ranking. I know TLSers and lawyers are prestige whores, but c'mon man.


Not a troll. And you and I both know that rankings mean something -- It's the difference between exit options and no exit options.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

I have the first part of your problem (at a V50), I would give an arm to have the blow to my ego of settling for a V100.


True. I realize I'm "lucky" but going to a T-6 school and having the opportunity at a V10 I fail like an absolute failure.


Also no-offered by Latham. Would happily take a v100 at this point.


i was there last summer - people did some ridiculous things/had a few bad reviews and still got offers. what was the reason given?

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby keg411 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:10 pm

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romothesavior wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

This is so ridiculous that I can't help but think you're trolling. If not, then wow... this is one of the more pathetic posts I've seen on TLS. You should be thrilled right now. I understand feeling disappointed at the no-offer, but who cares about the "drop" and the Vault ranking. I know TLSers and lawyers are prestige whores, but c'mon man.


Not a troll. And you and I both know that rankings mean something -- It's the difference between exit options and no exit options.


No it's not.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby somewhatwayward » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:13 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

This is so ridiculous that I can't help but think you're trolling. If not, then wow... this is one of the more pathetic posts I've seen on TLS. You should be thrilled right now. I understand feeling disappointed at the no-offer, but who cares about the "drop" and the Vault ranking. I know TLSers and lawyers are prestige whores, but c'mon man.


+1. Grow up. Exit options is a reason to worry but your tiny pink ego is not.
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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Old Gregg » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:13 pm

keg411 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No offered summer from a v10, somehow I was able to get an offer from a v100 firm already. Is it natural to still be depressed? I feel ungrateful but what a drop and blow to my ego.

This is so ridiculous that I can't help but think you're trolling. If not, then wow... this is one of the more pathetic posts I've seen on TLS. You should be thrilled right now. I understand feeling disappointed at the no-offer, but who cares about the "drop" and the Vault ranking. I know TLSers and lawyers are prestige whores, but c'mon man.


Not a troll. And you and I both know that rankings mean something -- It's the difference between exit options and no exit options.


No it's not.


For the most part, it is. Stop acting like you know shit.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Old Gregg » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:15 pm

PSA guys: Just because a firm no-offered you, doesn't necessarily mean they're shitty or TTT or something.

Remember: This is an extended job interview. Some of you need to accept that you might have failed at that interview and need to think critically about what you did and how you can correct that.

Others may have been legitimately fucked over by their firm.

I'm sorry for both scenarios, but the firm crucifixion needs to stop.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:22 pm

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No it's not.


For the most part, it is. Stop acting like you know shit.

Honestly not as big as most people make it out to be, from what little I've read.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Old Gregg » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:23 pm

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Fresh Prince wrote:
keg411 wrote:
No it's not.


For the most part, it is. Stop acting like you know shit.

Honestly not as big as most people make it out to be, from what little I've read.


Yes, it isn't as strict as V100 will have better exit options than V99, and it's probably a lot more clustured. But there's a very general correlation. V5 will provide better exit options than V90. V30 better than V80. But there are exceptions, and the specific ranking matters much less as you go further down the rankings.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:24 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:PSA guys: Just because a firm no-offered you, doesn't necessarily mean they're shitty or TTT or something.

Remember: This is an extended job interview. Some of you need to accept that you might have failed at that interview and need to think critically about what you did and how you can correct that.

Others may have been legitimately fucked over by their firm.

I'm sorry for both scenarios, but the firm crucifixion needs to stop.


If your firm is above 90% offer rate, it's probably the SA's fault. My firm gave 100% offers, and I'm happy for everyone, but there were definitely people in my summer class that didn't get the whole law firm thing.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Old Gregg » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:27 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Fresh Prince wrote:PSA guys: Just because a firm no-offered you, doesn't necessarily mean they're shitty or TTT or something.

Remember: This is an extended job interview. Some of you need to accept that you might have failed at that interview and need to think critically about what you did and how you can correct that.

Others may have been legitimately fucked over by their firm.

I'm sorry for both scenarios, but the firm crucifixion needs to stop.


If your firm is above 90% offer rate, it's probably the SA's fault. My firm gave 100% offers, and I'm happy for everyone, but there were definitely people in my summer class that didn't get the whole law firm thing.


Absolutely. And the bigger problem is that those associates' behavior is now legitimized in their mind because they have offers. Sometimes I think the pressure to give 100% offers overlooks the substance of the summer program. But whatever, sites like abovethelaw and amlaw and vault have fucked up this profession beyond repair.

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Re: No-offered summer associate. FML

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I have the first part of your problem (at a V50), I would give an arm to have the blow to my ego of settling for a V100.


True. I realize I'm "lucky" but going to a T-6 school and having the opportunity at a V10 I fail like an absolute failure.


Also no-offered by Latham. Would happily take a v100 at this point.


i was there last summer - people did some ridiculous things/had a few bad reviews and still got offers. what was the reason given?[/quote]

Grades.




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