Desert Fox wrote:NU GPA/OCI charts show that firms in Minn., Wisc., Ohio, Missouri, etc. are pretty selective. This is true.
But they are selective as shit at Illinois, Wisco, OSU, Minn, Iowa, and WUSTL too. During the crash many of these firms stopped recruiting at local schools period.
You are almost definitely better off being top 10% from the local t1 than median at T14, but I think once you get to top 15% you are getting to the end of the acceptable range at these firms.
Damn I just went back and looked at those charts. Uh yeah the midwest is just like the South.
I really wish people had shown this sort of data to me before I went to law school. It honestly would have changed what school I attended. I have to say this is something that I think this website is HORRIBLE for. So many people peddle SO MUCH bad information that isn't based on ANYTHING other than hearsay and US DAMN NEWS! It's annoying and it does people a disservice. When you actually sit down and look at real data, and once you start actually interviewing for jobs, you realize just how WRONG so much info on this site is. Let me highlight some of the biggest fallacies.
1. "Top 6" and to a lesser extent the top 14 dominate nationwide. WRONG. First no one in the damn real world knows what a "top 6" is. It's some bullshit that a few kids on here who attend those schools and wanted to circle jerk came up with. Firms outside of NYC DO NOT differentiate within the top 14 outside of having a preference for the top 14 in their respective region and HYS. Anyone telling you that "NYU will get you a job in Atlanta/Miami/Cleveland/Seattle/whatever secondary market with no problem with whatever grades" has NO DAMN IDEA what they are talking about! And quite frankly there are a few top 25 schools that are, for all intents and purposes = to the non HYS top 14 in their home markets. See: Vanderbilt and Texas. The GPA cutoffs for Southern firms at Vanderbilt vs. non HYS top 14 schools is honestly, negligible.
2. In general these firms DO prefer top of the class at the local school (i.e top 10 percent or better) HEAVILY over top 14 (including the "CCN) over median or below Top 14 students. Frankly, top 14 starts to come into play in this sense: the firms won't require law review and they will often dig "down" to top 1/3. LMAO as if that's really digging all that deep.DesertFox the bolded is true
--which is sad. Because what it basically means is that, when it comes down to it, the top 14 boost is NEGLIGIBLE for these firms. Quite frankly from the looks of those charts these firms are looking at top 20-top 1/3 students at NU. I.e you need to beat out 70 PERCENT of the class at NU to have a good shot at those firms. Really when you think about it, what is so much better about having to beat out 70 percent of a class filled with high GPA high LSAT students for a job as opposed to having to beat out 90 or 85 percent at a school with students with substantially lower GPA LSAT? Honestly NEITHER odds are good.
But there's one thing that really makes you realize how much the top 14 thing is overblown on here. Many are JUMPING at the chance to spend 280K for a chance to BEAT out 70 percent of their classmates at the top 14 thinking that somehow firms are going DEEP into the class there. While, on the other hand they could have attended an OSU for FREE with only slightly worse odds and with less competition.
The anon poster below is just running his mouth and is DEAD WRONG.
Anonymous User wrote:I can think of a handful of firms in my target market that would almost definitely opt for the T14 student with decent grades over the local student with top grades. And I can think of a handful of firms that would almost definitely opt for the reverse. I know you love your blanket statements, but I'm not sure this one holds true in the Midwest, a region in which you don't seem to have much (any?) experience.