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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:29 pm

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Just one anon's opinion, but I think you need to rethink where you are placing firms based on the # of interview slots they have. For example -- K&E and Sidley are too high because of the # of slots they have (although popular), you can drop them to 7-10 and still be okay (or at least I was), whereas I think if you re actually interested in interviewing with R&G Chicago or DPW, you need to move them up.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:These NYC firms (except W&C is DC) are my bids 21-28. Do I need to move them up to higher priority or are these selective enough that most people won't bid? I'm seriously interested in all of these firms. listed the number of interview slots next to them

21 Williams & Connolly 38
22 Cravath 34
23 Simpson Thatcher 52
24 Weil Gotshal Manges 21
25 Wachtell 42
26 Sullivan Cromwell 42
27 Davis Polk Wardell 41
28 Cleary Gottlieb 42


Just bumping this. Feedback would be greatly appreciated! Thanks :)

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby chasgoose » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:These NYC firms (except W&C is DC) are my bids 21-28. Do I need to move them up to higher priority or are these selective enough that most people won't bid? I'm seriously interested in all of these firms. listed the number of interview slots next to them

21 Williams & Connolly 38
22 Cravath 34
23 Simpson Thatcher 52
24 Weil Gotshal Manges 21
25 Wachtell 42
26 Sullivan Cromwell 42
27 Davis Polk Wardell 41
28 Cleary Gottlieb 42


Just bumping this. Feedback would be greatly appreciated! Thanks :)


I don't know what the bidding is like @ Chicago, but Weil seems low. It's not as selective as the others in that group so a wide range of GPA's bid on it, and there aren't that many slots. I know that at NYU (which obviously is more NYC focused) if you don't put Weil in your top 10 or even top 5, you probably aren't going to get an interview.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Emma. » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone care to critique this bidlist? Around 179, so top 1/3? Have WE, ties to SF/cali. No ties to NY. Available interview slots are listed.

Should I drop NY or Cali all together?


This list is all over the place. Where do you want to end up? I understand the "I just want a job" mentality, but how would you prioritize these markets?

Akso, KVN is almost certainly a wasted bid, as is WLRK unless you have really baller work experience. Wachtell has great OCI swag though, so maybe that makes it worth interviewing there...

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Emma. » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:57 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:These NYC firms (except W&C is DC) are my bids 21-28. Do I need to move them up to higher priority or are these selective enough that most people won't bid? I'm seriously interested in all of these firms. listed the number of interview slots next to them

21 Williams & Connolly 38
22 Cravath 34
23 Simpson Thatcher 52
24 Weil Gotshal Manges 21
25 Wachtell 42
26 Sullivan Cromwell 42
27 Davis Polk Wardell 41
28 Cleary Gottlieb 42


Just bumping this. Feedback would be greatly appreciated! Thanks :)


If you have the grades for WLRK (180+) then (barring a total inability to interview) you are going to do really well at OCI. What 20 firms would you place above these? You may as well bid selective firms a little higher, since if the above are the types of firms you want to work at, you probably won't end up seriously considering the "safety" firms you probably have currently ranked higher on your list.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:59 pm

I'm a transfer and I am focusing primarily on Chicago. I have about 15 slots of bids remaining and want to plug in large NYC firms where I can possibly get a screening interview for safety purposes. Any suggestions? I am completely unfamiliar with NYC market but, as the TLS adage goes, better a job than no job.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:26 pm

Emma. wrote:This list is all over the place. Where do you want to end up? I understand the "I just want a job" mentality, but how would you prioritize these markets?

Akso, KVN is almost certainly a wasted bid, as is WLRK unless you have really baller work experience. Wachtell has great OCI swag though, so maybe that makes it worth interviewing there...


Thanks, I agree, I have no idea what I'm doing. I would like Chicago or LA, but leaving out NY seems to close off too many firms. I really do just want a job, and don't really care where. Advice?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Emma. » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:49 pm

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Emma. wrote:This list is all over the place. Where do you want to end up? I understand the "I just want a job" mentality, but how would you prioritize these markets?

Akso, KVN is almost certainly a wasted bid, as is WLRK unless you have really baller work experience. Wachtell has great OCI swag though, so maybe that makes it worth interviewing there...


Thanks, I agree, I have no idea what I'm doing. I would like Chicago or LA, but leaving out NY seems to close off too many firms. I really do just want a job, and don't really care where. Advice?


Would you prefer SF over NYC? I could see bidding LA SF and Chicago, or even LA, Chi, & NY, but I think 4 markets is too many.

You should think about where you want to live. In many cases, once you start at a firm there's a good chance you'll be in that city for at least a couple of years without a lot of options to move. With a 179 you are going to get a job, but you need to get more focused about what you want to do and where. I think coming across as too unfocused as far as firms, geography, and practice group could be a pretty big red flag in interviews.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:12 pm

Anyone know how low you can bid Texas firms and still lock an interview?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know how low you can bid Texas firms and still lock an interview?

Depends how obsessed Fed Soc is with going to Texas this year. :lol: But in all seriousness, I had Baker Botts' Austin office second to last as a "why not?" entry and slotted into an interview.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:59 pm

Alright I'll play then. Grades are "good" but don't want to give a number in case someone figures out who I am.

Interested in Texas, Chicago, and a secondary market I don't want to disclose; only a few firms recruit there though.

(bid) (firm name) (market) (OCI slots) (class size)

1 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP Chicago 21 20
2 SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP - CHICAGO Chicago 84 41
3 Winston & Strawn LLP Chicago 42 31
4 KIRKLAND & ELLIS LLP Chicago 84 53
5 Mayer Brown LLP Chicago 63 25
6 SKADDEN, Chicago 84 17
7 JONES DAY Dallas, Houston 21 26
8 Prestigious national firm Secondary Market 21 -
9 Big national firm Secondary Market 42 -
10 McDermott, Will, and Emery Chicago 63 12
11 BAKER & HOSTETLER LLP Houston 16 5
12 Local Firm Secondary Market 11 -
13 Ahmad, Zavitsanos, Anaipakos, Houston 11 2
14 LATHAM & WATKINS LLP Chicago 61 10
15 Schiff Hardin LLP Chicago 45 8
16 Baker Botts LLP Houston 21 50
17 Vinson & Elkins LLP Houston 21 50
18 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP Dallas 6 11
19 FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI L.L.P. Houston 21 34
20 Mid size national firm Secondary Market 21 -
21 JENNER & BLOCK LLP Chicago 63 15
22 Chapman and Cutler LLP Chicago 21 12
23 Ropes & Gray LLP Chicago 21 9
24 Paul Hastings LLP Chicago 31 7
25 Vedder Price, P.C. Chicago 21 7
26 Baker & McKenzie LLP Chicago 21 6
27 K&L Gates Chicago 21 6
28 Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP Chicago 37 5
29 Thompson & Knight LLP Dallas 21 13
30 Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell Dallas 3 12
31 Local Firm Secondary Market 11 -
32 McGuireWoods LLP Chicago 21 5
33 Reed Smith Chicago 21 5
34 Dykema Gossett PLLC Chicago 21 4
35 Edwards Wildman Palmer Chicago 42 4
36 Neal, Gerber & Eisenberg LLP Chicago 42 4
37 Perkins Coie LLP Chicago 21 4
38 Barack Ferrazzano Chicago 42 3
39 Bryan Cave Chicago 21 2
40 Goldberg Kohn Ltd. Chicago 42 2
41 Faegre Baker Daniels Chicago 21 1
42 Miller Shakman & Beem LLP Chicago 21 0
43 (LOL) Susman Godfrey Houston 9 4
44 Pircher Nichols Meeks Chicago 21 0
45 Grippo and Elden Chicago 21 2
46 (Enjoy) DLA Piper Chicago 21 6

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Alright I'll play then. Grades are "good" but don't want to give a number in case someone figures out who I am.

Interested in Texas, Chicago, and a secondary market I don't want to disclose; only a few firms recruit there though.

(bid) (firm name) (market) (OCI slots) (class size)

1 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP Chicago 21 20
............
46 (Enjoy) DLA Piper Chicago 21 6


I don't think you need Skadden-Chicago that high, and I might move Jenner-Chicago higher. Other than that, it's difficult for me to say. Some people would consider a 177 "good" and other people consider a 180 "good," so it's tough for me to get a decent idea of "must-have" firms and "don't-even-bother" firms for you.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:20 pm

Rising 3L here. I wish I would have spent a lot less time last year worrying about my bidlist. Chances are, you'll get most of your top twenty firms (I had 18/20) and even if you don't get a firm through bidding, it's not that difficult to slide into a spot once OCI begins. For almost everybody, there are a relatively small number of firms that both (1) you have shot at, and (2) you would actually want to work there. Put those firms high and don't worry too much about the rest.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:38 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Alright I'll play then. Grades are "good" but don't want to give a number in case someone figures out who I am.

Interested in Texas, Chicago, and a secondary market I don't want to disclose; only a few firms recruit there though.

(bid) (firm name) (market) (OCI slots) (class size)

1 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP Chicago 21 20
............
46 (Enjoy) DLA Piper Chicago 21 6


I don't think you need Skadden-Chicago that high, and I might move Jenner-Chicago higher. Other than that, it's difficult for me to say. Some people would consider a 177 "good" and other people consider a 180 "good," so it's tough for me to get a decent idea of "must-have" firms and "don't-even-bother" firms for you.


Also, depending on how set you are on Texas (or how much you actually want offers there), I would reconsider the number of cities you are interviewing in: Chicago, Secondary Market (where I assume you are from), Dallas and Houston--that is too many. Texas firms will be very, very suspicious.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:44 pm

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I don't think you need Skadden-Chicago that high, and I might move Jenner-Chicago higher. Other than that, it's difficult for me to say. Some people would consider a 177 "good" and other people consider a 180 "good," so it's tough for me to get a decent idea of "must-have" firms and "don't-even-bother" firms for you.


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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Emma. » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:17 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Alright I'll play then. Grades are "good" but don't want to give a number in case someone figures out who I am.

Interested in Texas, Chicago, and a secondary market I don't want to disclose; only a few firms recruit there though.

(bid) (firm name) (market) (OCI slots) (class size)

1 Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP Chicago 21 20
............
46 (Enjoy) DLA Piper Chicago 21 6


I don't think you need Skadden-Chicago that high, and I might move Jenner-Chicago higher. Other than that, it's difficult for me to say. Some people would consider a 177 "good" and other people consider a 180 "good," so it's tough for me to get a decent idea of "must-have" firms and "don't-even-bother" firms for you.


This.

Also, why bid Katten #1?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Emma. » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Rising 3L here. I wish I would have spent a lot less time last year worrying about my bidlist. Chances are, you'll get most of your top twenty firms (I had 18/20) and even if you don't get a firm through bidding, it's not that difficult to slide into a spot once OCI begins. For almost everybody, there are a relatively small number of firms that both (1) you have shot at, and (2) you would actually want to work there. Put those firms high and don't worry too much about the rest.


This is great advice, except that I think it is really hard for the rising 2Ls to identify those firms that are in the "relatively small group" you mention without going through the whole torturous OCI process.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:31 pm

Emma. wrote:If you have the grades for WLRK (180+) then (barring a total inability to interview)


Is that really all it takes to make a go at WLRK? I thought it was even higher. If one is barely hitting that number, on LR, and has substantial work experience, is it worth seriously trying for?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Emma. » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:39 pm

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Emma. wrote:If you have the grades for WLRK (180+) then (barring a total inability to interview)


Is that really all it takes to make a go at WLRK? I thought it was even higher. If one is barely hitting that number, on LR, and has substantial work experience, is it worth seriously trying for?


Sorry, I wasn't trying to suggest that 180+ was sufficient to get Wachtell. I meant that except in very special circumstances it is pretty much necessary. That said, if you are on LR with 180+ grades and are interested in 100 hour weeks, you may as well give it a shot.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby gyarados » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:00 am

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone care to critique this bidlist? Around 179, so top 1/3? Have WE, ties to SF/cali. No ties to NY. Available interview slots are listed.

Few comments for the whole thread, quoted this one because it was convenient.

1. Underestimating rank seems to be a common thread (UChi = bitter pessimists? who knows). 179 is worst case top 20% and might be closer to top 15% depending on our year. Everyone who's not sure about their rank should learn what a standard deviation is and figure it out instead of wildly guessing. I can PM my estimates if anyone cares.

2. Bidding on a firm whose lowest callback in the last 3 years is well above your average is a wasted bid (and it screws over your classmates). If you haven't read the sheet with callback info on chalk, go read it.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:15 am

gyarados wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone care to critique this bidlist? Around 179, so top 1/3? Have WE, ties to SF/cali. No ties to NY. Available interview slots are listed.

Few comments for the whole thread, quoted this one because it was convenient.

1. Underestimating rank seems to be a common thread (UChi = bitter pessimists? who knows). 179 is worst case top 20% and might be closer to top 15% depending on our year. Everyone who's not sure about their rank should learn what a standard deviation is and figure it out instead of wildly guessing. I can PM my estimates if anyone cares.

2. Bidding on a firm whose lowest callback in the last 3 years is well above your average is a wasted bid (and it screws over your classmates). If you haven't read the sheet with callback info on chalk, go read it.


I'm assuming by #2 you don't mean the anon with the 179? I'm right around the lowest WLRK callback (179.05), which is by far the highest min-grade callback for any firm. Would it be a "waste" and "screwing over my classmates" to bid WLRK in the top 20?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby gyarados » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:19 am

Anonymous User wrote:I'm assuming by #2 you don't mean the anon with the 179? I'm right around the lowest WLRK callback (179.05), which is by far the highest min-grade callback for any firm. Would it be a "waste" and "screwing over my classmates" to bid WLRK in the top 20?

No, of course not. That's a reach, but it's a pretty reasonable one. Bidding firms with a low callback that's more than a point above your average is what I mean by that.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby trudat15 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:36 am

If you are interested in two markets for the same firm, and they have that symbol that says they are sharing interviewing, do you just ranking them one after the other?

ie
1. Latham& Watkins Chicago
2. Latham & Watkins NY

Will the system know that your number 3 is your true number 2?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:41 am

I would also appreciate any advice on my bidlist. Right at median, looking only at Chicago firms and leaning towards corporate/transactional. Thank you!

Firm, # of interview slots
Sidley Austin LLP 84
Latham & Watkins LLP 61
Schiff Hardin LLP 45
McDermott Will & Emery 63
Winston & Strawn LLP 42
Perkins Coie LLP 21
Pircher Nichols & Meeks 21
Kirkland & Ellis LLP 84
Holland & Knight LLP 21
Barack Ferrazzano Kirschbaum & Nagelberg LLP 42
Mayer Brown LLP 63
Paul Hastings LLP 31
SNR Denton US LLP 21
DLA Piper LLP (US) 21
Ropes & Gray LLP 21
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP 84
Jones Day 42
Reed Smith LLP 21
K&L Gates LLP 21
Jenner & Block LLP 63
Baker & McKenzie 21
Goldberg Kohn 42
Foley & Lardner LLP 42
Neal, Gerber & Eisenberg LLP 42
Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP 37
Quarles & Brady 21
Greenberg Traurig 21
Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP 21
Dykema Gossett PLLC 21
McGuireWoods LLP 21
Bryan Cave LLP 21
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP 21
Chapman and Cutler LLP 21
Locke Lord Bissell 10
Vedder Price PC 21
Faegre Baker Daniels LLP 21

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Re: UChicago OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:59 am

Anonymous User wrote:I would also appreciate any advice on my bidlist. Right at median, looking only at Chicago firms and leaning towards corporate/transactional. Thank you!


Your top four seem really high considering they have over 40 slots each. You could probably move them down and move up some of the firms with less interview slots.




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