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Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:46 am

Below median (3.05) at Mich. All are NYC offices, unless noted differently. Any advice/help greatly appreciated.

Morgan Lewis
Pillsbury
O’Melveny
Mayer Brown
Chadbourne & Parke
Linklaters
Schulte
Nixon Peabody
Seward
Gunderson
Dechert
Jones Day
Milbank
Clifford Chance
Kramer Levin
Hughes Hubbard
Stroock
Proskauer
Cahill
K&L Gates
Bryan Cave
Schiff Hardin
Venable (MD)
Cooley (VA)
Fed. Reserve
CIA
IRS
Hogan Lovells (MD)
DLA (DC)

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby chasgoose » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:49 am

How many posts are you going to make with the same bidlist?

Get rid of Mayer Brown and Linklaters, move Bryan Cave, Proskauer, KL Gates up. Add like Cadwalader and other less selective firms? Start mass mailing now too. OCI is going to be rough for you.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:10 am

why didnt you follow the advice someone gave you in your previous thread? have you looked at the class sizes for these firms?

edit: i don't mean to sound harsh. but nixon peabody ny? 3 SAs this year. gunderson NY? 2 SAs. pillsbury 7 SAs.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:31 am

these class size critiques are right on. I would also add:

you need to go through the grade data available and eliminate every firm that has a "lowest hire" above a 3.05. These are the firms that have not hired someone with your grades since 2005; they almost surely will not do so ITE.

n.b.: You should disregard this advice if you are a URM or have an IP edge (ie, already taken patent bar/have hard science UG that would inspire an employer to look beyond your grades).

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:28 pm

Any better? Thanks again.

Cadwalader
Milbank
Proskauer
Cahill
Schulte
Chadbourne
Weil
Linklaters
Kirkland
Jones Day
Clifford Chance
Hughes Hubbard
Kramer Levin
Morgan Lewis
O’Melveny
Pillsbury
Mayer Brown
KL Gates
DLA Piper (DC)
Gunderson
Bryan Cave
Nixon Peabody
Seward
Schiff Hardin
Fed. Reserve
IRS
CIA
Venable (MD)
Cooley (VA)
Hogan Lovells (MD)

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Ratchet Jackson » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:34 pm

If I were you, I'd swap out Jones/Weil/Kirkland for Stroock/Kaye Scholer/Dechert and move those up the list.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:18 pm

Do Brown Rudnick, Katten, Kasowitz, and/or Fried Frank come to your OCI? If so add them toward the top of your list.

Also, 2dary market ties?

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any better? Thanks again.

Cadwalader
Milbank
Proskauer
Cahill
Schulte
Chadbourne
Weil
Linklaters
Kirkland
Jones Day
Clifford Chance
Hughes Hubbard
Kramer Levin
Morgan Lewis
O’Melveny
Pillsbury
Mayer Brown
KL Gates
DLA Piper (DC)
Gunderson
Bryan Cave
Nixon Peabody
Seward
Schiff Hardin
Fed. Reserve
IRS
CIA
Venable (MD)
Cooley (VA)
Hogan Lovells (MD)


I would probably move Pillsbury up to your lower
top ten. They may be planning for a small summer class, but I think they like hiring from Mich, which counts for something. I also imagine a lot of others in your GPA range will rank them high on their lists.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Ratchet Jackson » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:29 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any better? Thanks again.

Cadwalader
Milbank
Proskauer
Cahill
Schulte
Chadbourne
Weil
Linklaters
Kirkland
Jones Day
Clifford Chance
Hughes Hubbard
Kramer Levin
Morgan Lewis
O’Melveny
Pillsbury
Mayer Brown
KL Gates
DLA Piper (DC)
Gunderson
Bryan Cave
Nixon Peabody
Seward
Schiff Hardin
Fed. Reserve
IRS
CIA
Venable (MD)
Cooley (VA)
Hogan Lovells (MD)


I would probably move Pillsbury up to your lower
top ten. They may be planning for a small summer class, but I think they like hiring from Mich, which counts for something. I also imagine a lot of others in your GPA range will rank them high on their lists.


I'd be hesitant about this advice. Pillsbury is planning for a sub-10 person class and you need #s on your side. I'd make sure that your top 10-15 bids at least have upwards of 20 SA slots. Fighting for fewer than 10 spots with people who will have significantly higher GPAs from M alone is probably not in your best interests.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:52 pm

Regarding the last couple posts, what about a hybrid approach like below. Or would that be screwing myself more than I already am?

Milbank
Cadwalader
Proskauer
Chadbourne & Parke
Morgan Lewis
O'Melveny
Schulte
Pillsbury
Weil
Linklaters
Mayer Brown
Jones Day
Dechert
Cahill
Clifford Chance
Hughes Hubbard
Kramer Levin
K&L Gates
DLA Piper
Gunderson
Bryan Cave
Nixon Peabody
Seward
Schiff Hardin
Federal Reserve Board
U.S. Internal Revenue Service
Central Intelligence Agency
Venable
Cooley
Hogan Lovells

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:34 pm

RJ127 wrote:If I were you, I'd swap out Jones/Weil/Kirkland for Stroock/Kaye Scholer/Dechert and move those up the list.


Kaye Scholer doesn't do OCI at Michigan. But agreed on Stroock and Dechert.

HeavenWood wrote:Do Brown Rudnick, Katten, Kasowitz, and/or Fried Frank come to your OCI? If so add them toward the top of your list.

Also, 2dary market ties?


Katten/Kasowitz/Fried Frank do.

OP: seriously get rid of Weil/Kirkland. Seriously use the GPA cut-offs.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
RJ127 wrote:If I were you, I'd swap out Jones/Weil/Kirkland for Stroock/Kaye Scholer/Dechert and move those up the list.


Kaye Scholer doesn't do OCI at Michigan. But agreed on Stroock and Dechert.

HeavenWood wrote:Do Brown Rudnick, Katten, Kasowitz, and/or Fried Frank come to your OCI? If so add them toward the top of your list.

Also, 2dary market ties?


Katten/Kasowitz/Fried Frank do.

OP: seriously get rid of Weil/Kirkland. Seriously use the GPA cut-offs.

Katten NY is a must-have. Kasowitz and Fried aren't grade-snobby either.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:46 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
RJ127 wrote:If I were you, I'd swap out Jones/Weil/Kirkland for Stroock/Kaye Scholer/Dechert and move those up the list.


Kaye Scholer doesn't do OCI at Michigan. But agreed on Stroock and Dechert.

HeavenWood wrote:Do Brown Rudnick, Katten, Kasowitz, and/or Fried Frank come to your OCI? If so add them toward the top of your list.

Also, 2dary market ties?


Katten/Kasowitz/Fried Frank do.

OP: seriously get rid of Weil/Kirkland. Seriously use the GPA cut-offs.

Katten NY is a must-have. Kasowitz and Fried aren't grade-snobby either.


Actually I think only Katten Chicago comes to Michigan. I didn't even know they had a NYC office.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:47 pm

^OP should definitely mail the NYC office then. PM for selectivity details.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:52 pm

op here. yeah, i used the grade cutoffs religiously. yup, only katten - chicago is coming this year.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:01 pm

Milbank that unselective at M? Here at a lower t14, they don't usually take medians, let alone below.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:07 pm

I don't think its that he has a chance with all of these firms, but that there's just not much else he can put there in its place. You have to bid somewhere, might as well go for the less selective firms with bigger classes. I'd say Milbank fits in that category.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby chasgoose » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I don't think its that he has a chance with all of these firms, but that there's just not much else he can put there in its place. You have to bid somewhere, might as well go for the less selective firms with bigger classes. I'd say Milbank fits in that category.


Fine, but not as his number 1 bid... What about Paul Hastings, Stroock, Willkie, Fried Frank? It seems with each edit he mostly cuts out firms he actually has a chance of getting while replacing them with firms like Weil which are never going to happen. Or he moves up firms that are possible, but a huge reach and should be nowhere near his top 10.

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:15 pm

chasgoose wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I don't think its that he has a chance with all of these firms, but that there's just not much else he can put there in its place. You have to bid somewhere, might as well go for the less selective firms with bigger classes. I'd say Milbank fits in that category.


Fine, but not as his number 1 bid... What about Paul Hastings, Stroock, Willkie, Fried Frank? It seems with each edit he mostly cuts out firms he actually has a chance of getting while replacing them with firms like Weil which are never going to happen. Or he moves up firms that are possible, but a huge reach and should be nowhere near his top 10.


Yeah I agree. But about Willkie, I thought they were about as selective as K&E/Paul Weiss, etc.?

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Re: Bid List Help - Mich, below median

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:24 pm

Willkie is kind of selective at my t14. What about proskauer rose, cadwalader, schulte roth, paul hastings etc.




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