NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:33 pm

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:41 pm

I'm curious where people got Sidley and Proskauer. I missed out on them at 11 and 12.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm curious where people got Sidley and Proskauer. I missed out on them at 11 and 12.


Proskauer at 1 and Sidley at 7.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:59 pm

I got Sidley (LA) at 6.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:29 pm

Had to bid Sidley by 7 to get it.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:57 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Had to bid Sidley by 7 to get it.


false, got Sidley at 9.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:31 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I'm curious where people got Sidley and Proskauer. I missed out on them at 11 and 12.


Proskauer at 1 and Sidley at 7.



LOL, I made the same mistake w/r/t to Sidley last year when they cleared at 10.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:53 pm

Firms like Proskauser are in that perfect midrange where lots of people will be bidding. I did EIW last year and bid Paul Hastings 3rd and didn't get a screener. Shows how many people bid them 1 or 2.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:42 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Had to bid Sidley by 7 to get it.


false, got Sidley at 9.

I know someone that bid them 8 and didn't get them. Are you talking about Sidley NYC?

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:21 am

# of screeners: 27
# of screeners from top 20 bids: 18
# of screeners below top 20: 9 (math!)
Market: New York.

I got Weil at 3.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:12 am

# of screeners: 27
# of screeners from top 20 bids: 13 (how did everyone get so many in the teens?)
Market: Heavily NYC, few Chicago

Any idea how high you had to bid White & Case? I didn't get them at 12.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:15 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Had to bid Sidley by 7 to get it.


false, got Sidley at 9.

I know someone that bid them 8 and didn't get them. Are you talking about Sidley NYC?


yes. they must have time conflicted out.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:43 pm

Anyone know where on CSM I can go to get the entire list of EIW employers? The OCI tab is only showing a few (I guess the ones that still have bidding space?).

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:52 pm

# of screeners: 23
# of screeners from top 20 bids: 19
# of screeners below top 20: 4 (math!!)
Market: New York, Chicago, London

Probably over bid on London.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:55 pm

# of screeners: 29
# from top 20: 18

Markets: NY/DC

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:24 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Had to bid Sidley by 7 to get it.


false, got Sidley at 9.


I missed out on Sidley at 10, but it could have been a scheduling conflict, as noted above.

Number of screeners: 30
Number from top 20: 13
Number from outside top 20: 17, including 49 and 50.
Markets: NY and Boston

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:52 am

# of screeners: 29
# of screeners from top 20 bids: 17
# of screeners below top 20: 12
# of screeners in the dangerous 41-50 zone: 2
Markets: 26 DC, 2 NY, 1 elsewhere

A few surprising DC misses in the top 20, but mostly got what I wanted.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:07 am

# screeners: 32
# screeners from top 20 bids: 19 (sans Weil)
# screeners below top 20: ~13
markets: mostly DC/NY

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:51 am

For the people who got 30+ screeners, what seemed to be the trick to getting that many interviews? Looks like everyone bid NYC as their primary market but outside of that I wonder what factors other than luck came into play. Any tips would be helpful to future EIW bidders. -NYU1L

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby birdlaw117 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:59 am

Anonymous User wrote:For the people who got 30+ screeners, what seemed to be the trick to getting that many interviews? Looks like everyone bid NYC as their primary market but outside of that I wonder what factors other than luck came into play. Any tips would be helpful to future EIW bidders. -NYU1L

Check this out: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=189981

Then try posting in one of the threads specifically for asking NYU students.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:06 am

Ouch. My bad. Didn't know the rules. Will try another thread.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby birdlaw117 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:Ouch. My bad. Didn't know the rules. Will try another thread.

No worries. I realize it was an honest mistake and you're just trying to figure things out.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:26 am

birdlaw117 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:For the people who got 30+ screeners, what seemed to be the trick to getting that many interviews? Looks like everyone bid NYC as their primary market but outside of that I wonder what factors other than luck came into play. Any tips would be helpful to future EIW bidders. -NYU1L

Check this out: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 3&t=189981

Then try posting in one of the threads specifically for asking NYU students.


I know he's supposed to ask in other threads, but I don't think this information will be that out of place here. I found it easier to look through last year's employment threads than searching through the vast sea of questions about Mercer v. D'ag in the Ask a Law Student section. If this is out of place, mods feel free to delete.

I got 32 screeners, bidding almost entirely NYC/LA. Here are some pointers and things I found to be useful.

1. Learn to read between the lines w/ OCS: In almost every other way, OCS is terribly helpful, but for some reason they keep the bidding information pretty close to the vest. You will never get info like some other schools provide about number of people who bid on a firm in previous years or how high a bid a specific firm closed at. They will say things, however, like "if you want that firm it should be in the top 20." That means "put it in your top 10 or even top 5." If they say, however, "if you will be absolutely devastated that you don't get a certain firm, put it in your top 20" that means that you can probably put it in the 20's-30's or even 40's depending on how much you want it.

2. Make friends with 2L's and get advice from them: My 2L friends were far more helpful in planning my bidding than any other resource. Also, by talking to them, you can get a handle on how invested/crafty they were at the process last year. You kind of want the type of person who always seems to know what's going on, since they will probably be more on the ball than others. Also, if you know a person got crazy amazing grades, they probably won't be as useful for bidding strategy as someone closer to the median since it wasn't as important to them. Also, when bidding on non-NYC markets, try your best to find people who are going to that market and ask them how they bid last year and what worked and didn't. I sort of had to guess on my LA bids since I didn't really have this resource.

3. Pay attention to selectivity/number of slots: This has been said on here multiple times, but its definitely true. The hardest firms to get are the ones that are prestigious, less grade-concsious, and have the fewest slots. Firms like Skadden, Weil, Kirkland, Sidley, Latham, Ropes & Gray, etc. fill up very quickly. Everyone bids on them. High GPA people use them as a match, and everyone from slightly below median up uses them as a reach. If you don't have them in your top 10 (really top 5) you are risking not getting them. Even a cursory chat with a 2L/quick glance at prior bidding cycles on TLS will reveal the firms that are very hard to get. Basically anything with fewer than 100 slots that isn't in the 3.6 range should be no lower than top 20 and higher if possible. The firms that are in the 3.6 range with 150-250 slots can be bid in the 20's-30's and should only really be bid higher if you are >3.5 or so and you want to make sure to interview with some of them. Even then, only a couple should be ranked higher than 20.

4. Most of your top bids should be NYC: Unless your secondary market is DC, which does seem to go higher, you will still get a lot of firms in the secondary market even if they aren't in the top 20. Out of the 19 NYC interviews I got, only 4 were from bids below the top 20 (and they were the 3.6 type firms with tons of slots). Although it seems as though there aren't very many slots relative to the NYC ones, you would be surprised how few people are trying for markets outside of NYC/DC. I would recommend picking 4-5 firms in your secondary market that have the few slots/not as grade-selective combo and interspersing them in the 10-20 range, and then putting the rest in the 20-35 zone. If you are only using NYC as a last resort back up and/or you have a really high GPA (like top 20%+) you might get by with fewer NYC firms. In that situation put like 10 secondary market firms (still mostly the less grade-conscious ones) and then only NYC firms that are hard to get screeners from. I would still put almost entirely NYC in my top 10.

5. Pay attention to which day firms are interviewing: This is a slight caveat to the advice about bidding more selective firms with tons of bids/secondary market firms lower. You can only get so many interviews on a given day. If you look at your bidlist and more than 10 firms in your top 20 are interviewing on a given day, you are risking losing out on slots for any firm that you bid lower on that same day. Basically, if there is a firm you really want an interview with, even though you know it won't be that hard to get, make sure that there aren't more than 10 firms on the same day bid higher or else you could run into issues. This can be a problem for secondary market bids since there are fewer times available that will fit your schedule even if the firm's schedule hasn't filled up.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:21 pm

Wow. very very helpful. Thank you so much.

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Re: NYU EIW MADNESS 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:00 am

and i thought 27 was a lot, but apparently not the case.

26 in nyc, 1 in philly.
18/20 from top 20 bids.

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