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Archangel
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Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby Archangel » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:54 pm


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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby facile princeps » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:05 pm

I've seen this before. It makes the prospects look better than dismal. IDK how accurate/reliable this is, though.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby kenji » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:19 pm

This is much more useful than LST.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:34 pm

kenji wrote:This is much more useful than LST.


More positive maybe. But that's to be expected for a site that only considers employed lawyer, mostly from the older generation, versus one that considers fresh grads.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:44 pm

It's also interesting to compare the 570,000 BLS jobs in the legal sector to the 1.1 million JD's that have graduated over the last 30 years: http://flustercucked.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -data.html.

The 30 year time frame puts the oldest of these graduates at 55-60, which is too young for voluntary retirement to have made a huge dent in the statistics. Have the JD's that have graduated in the last 30 years are no longer practicing law. I'd imagine many of those are people who never got to practice as a lawyer.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:50 pm

ONE HAS TO GET A LAWYER JOB TO BE COUNTED AS A LAWYER.

LST, TLS, ITLSS (Campos) all talk about how it's almost impossible for the average law school graduate to get a lawyer job. In fact, the median outcome for the class of 2011 was not a lawyer job if you take away people employed by their law schools. If you also took away full time, long term jobs that has a definite end (i.e. multi year contract work), who knows what it would look like.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby kenji » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:48 pm

rayiner wrote:
kenji wrote:This is much more useful than LST.


More positive maybe. But that's to be expected for a site that only considers employed lawyer, mostly from the older generation, versus one that considers fresh grads.


No, more useful. I mean what I say.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:54 pm

kenji wrote:
rayiner wrote:
kenji wrote:This is much more useful than LST.


More positive maybe. But that's to be expected for a site that only considers employed lawyer, mostly from the older generation, versus one that considers fresh grads.


No, more useful. I mean what I say.


If you're a 40 year old experienced attorney, maybe.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby Archangel » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:14 pm

I saw this title on JD Underground and had to bring it to TLS, Lawyer Shortage Coming!, here is the relevant link, http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... seto-.html , and here is the discussion on JD Underground, http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread ... adId=47454 .

This is the ATL response, http://abovethelaw.com/2013/06/decrease ... m-in-2016/ .

Also using the same methodology used in the link provided by Rayiner, http://flustercucked.blogspot.com/2010/ ... -data.html , projecting another 10% drop in matriculation for the class of 2017 based on the Taxprof's projections of the 2016 class and estimated population in 2017, the supply returns to 1971/72 levels at a SILPC of 256.4. Which is when the flustercucked link alleges the law school scam and over population of attorneys first began as graphed below the chart. This, I am sure is inherently flawed on so many levels, but interesting to see how the market will actually correct itself.

Crude and flawed calculation of methodology based a variety of assumptions... lol

326,348,000 projected population 2017
35,954 (Taxprof est. matriculation of 2016) X .90 (10% drop for 2017) X 40 (fluster's 40 year career assumption)


population http://www.census.gov/population/projec ... ment12.pdf pg 31

Btw Necro
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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby Bronte » Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:03 pm

Rayiner was a great poster. He should come back.

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Re: Occupational Employment Statistics

Postby Archangel » Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:08 pm

Bronte wrote:Rayiner was a great poster. He should come back.


Agreed, hopefully he is billing hours these days.




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