10% at T30...but no journal.

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10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:15 pm

Title says it all - have no idea how it happened but I got shut out of all of the journals. Am I screwed? I feel like this basically just shows employers that I cannot write at all... :oops:

Becuase I know you're going to ask: BU/BC.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:22 pm

Did you receive any consideration for your class rank during the write-on ? Did you express interest in any other journals ?

Consider contacting the editor-in-chief/managing editor of any jounal to which you did not apply to see if there are any available spots ?

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:29 pm

I guess I could try to get in touch with them, I'm not sure if that's exactly allowed as it's wellllllllllllllllllllllll past the deadline, and submissions are due in the next few days for OCI.

By your suggestion to reach out to the EICs - are you telling me that its seriously that bad to show up to Boston/NYC OCI's with 10% and no LR/journal?

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:34 pm

I didn't suggest that. Only that top 10% with law review or a journal is better than top 10% without law review or journal credentials. Ultra-competitive job market calls for the strongest qualifications one can earn.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:38 pm

wouldn't feel too down. Just spin it as you wanted more practical experience. Try to get an internship somewhere. Do moot court. Journal is nice on the resume, but note writing was miserable and blue booking articles isn't that special a skill. Sure I remember rules now and can do a lot of it from memory, but I still double check most things.

I think you can spin it that while you didn't get a journal, you want to get more practical experience doing moot court, externship etc... I think most lawyers know that just being on a journal, not on the exec board, isn't too special a deal. I think at bu and bc ~1/3rd the class is on one.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:52 pm

How do you know you didn't make one? I am also at BU/BC and I haven't heard anything yet.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:24 pm

Probably because you're at different schools.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:29 pm

Curious to hear more answers.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby didi » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:02 pm

silly. anything except LR is not worth much.

I know at least 3 magna people from my class with no LR, no journal ....
and a bunch of biglaw people with no journals

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:23 pm

So you must be from BU. My only guess is that a) you blew one of the rules, like cleaning the metadata, or b) you didn't do great at the citations or something. I would just rock it at moot court. Are you planning on getting a job in Boston? I think you will still do well. I'd ask CDO to see how to pitch not having made it on.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby CanadianWolf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:32 pm

Some top 10% students just don't write as well as others. Law review write-ons are, as you know, very different than issue spotting exams.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby hiima3L » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:33 pm

You should contact some of the EICs of secondaries and ask if you can join and say you'll do extra work, blahblah. Unless they're not allowed to (unheard of to my knowledge), or they're lame, they'll probably let you join.

Anyway, it's not a total dealbreaker. I have a few friends who didn't do any journal and still got biglaw.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:38 pm

the law review manager of BC makes BC journal membership (not just LR) sound like some kind of prestigious club membership. if you want to join, you can only do so by noting-on.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:50 am

didi wrote:silly. anything except LR is not worth much.

I know at least 3 magna people from my class with no LR, no journal ....
and a bunch of biglaw people with no journals



Are you at BU/BC? I had gotten the impression from some people on TLS that at these schools journal really matters. Only asking b/c I am also top 10% and am pretty sure I missed the boat on journals as well.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:the law review manager of BC makes BC journal membership (not just LR) sound like some kind of prestigious club membership. if you want to join, you can only do so by noting-on.


This isn't even correct.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby 4444 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:51 am

Removed.
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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby CanadianWolf » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:59 am

OP is probably a student at BU.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby CanadianWolf » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:01 am

Many believe that law review membership is more important for those outside of the top 14 law schools.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:16 am

4444 wrote:Have the BC journals made their selections yet? I go to BC and haven't heard anything, guess it's bad news... :(


Still nothing from BC

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:15 pm

it is true that the manager of BC journals, john gordon, made journal memberships sound like some type of prestigious clubs.
He was working for law review, not as a manger, before he went to BC law. Then he studied law at BC and was on LR - did he go through the traditional route? I don't know. Now he's the LR manager.

I know at least a couple of people who graduated magna in 2011 and who were not on any journal. And I know at least 5+ people who were not on journals but who are now working at various biglaw firms.I know at least several journal people who do not have full-time, permanent jobs. that said, I have no idea how helpful it is to be on a secondary journal.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:the law review manager of BC makes BC journal membership (not just LR) sound like some kind of prestigious club membership. if you want to join, you can only do so by noting-on.


This isn't even correct.


I mean if you could not made it through write-on, you can only note-on. I don't know if they have changed the policy since then.

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Re: 10% at T30...but no journal.

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:19 pm

my advice:

if you, for any reason, could not make it, then try your best to get published in other schools' secondary journals (it's impossible, as far as I heard, to get published in flagship law reviews). It won't make or break your resume but it will help you down the road.




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