I Propose a Standard

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
User avatar
manofjustice
Posts: 1323
Joined: Thu May 17, 2012 10:01 pm

I Propose a Standard

Postby manofjustice » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:11 am

I propose a standard for measuring the "ideal outcomes" of legal education that we can use to evaluate law schools' ABA employment data.

For the T14:

Business + Government + Public Interest + A3C


For the "good" non-T14 Teir 1:

The same, except only 1/2 of Business.


Debate.

User avatar
IAFG
Posts: 6665
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby IAFG » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:20 am

Article III is too limiting. People who want to practice in Article I courts are surely content with their Article I clerkships. "Business" is too broad. "Government" is too broad.

User avatar
fatduck
Posts: 4186
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:16 pm

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby fatduck » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:21 am

doesn't "Business" include starbucks?

swimmer11
Posts: 464
Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:54 pm

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby swimmer11 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:24 am

What about a state supreme court (or highest court) clerkship? Especially for non-T14 good T1 schools.

User avatar
IAFG
Posts: 6665
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby IAFG » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:40 am

swimmer11 wrote:What about a state supreme court (or highest court) clerkship? Especially for non-T14 good T1 schools.

Or Delaware chancery court.

User avatar
rayiner
Posts: 6184
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:43 am

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby rayiner » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:50 am

manofjustice wrote:I propose a standard for measuring the "ideal outcomes" of legal education that we can use to evaluate law schools' ABA employment data.

For the T14:

Business + Government + Public Interest + A3C


For the "good" non-T14 Teir 1:

The same, except only 1/2 of Business.


Debate.


1/2 of business is bullshit at the T14 (probably more at schools that don't have top JD/MBA's).
All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.

Business includes both contract work with a temp agency and Starbucks. Even at NU, Id say half the business jobs are bullshit. Half are JD-MBA's who go do JD-MBA things, then there are a couple of people who do PWM or whatever, and the rest are contract work or people going back to their old jobs.

User avatar
kalvano
Posts: 11720
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:24 am

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby kalvano » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:52 am

rayiner wrote:All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.



False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.

User avatar
rayiner
Posts: 6184
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:43 am

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby rayiner » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:53 am

kalvano wrote:
rayiner wrote:All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.



False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.


Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job. I can't imagine consulting/finance is lapping up SMU grads that don't have MBA's.

User avatar
kalvano
Posts: 11720
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:24 am

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby kalvano » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:55 am

rayiner wrote:
kalvano wrote:
rayiner wrote:All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.



False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.


Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job.



SMU places a respectable amount of people into "business" gigs. Dallas is weird, though. Lots of different businesses around.

User avatar
dowu
Posts: 8334
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:47 pm

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby dowu » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:57 am

Checking in.

User avatar
rayiner
Posts: 6184
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:43 am

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby rayiner » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:02 pm

kalvano wrote:
rayiner wrote:
kalvano wrote:
False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.


Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job.



SMU places a respectable amount of people into "business" gigs. Dallas is weird, though. Lots of different businesses around.


Fair enough. I don't think that's true generally though. Texas is kind of weird generally.

User avatar
kalvano
Posts: 11720
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:24 am

Re: I Propose a Standard

Postby kalvano » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:14 pm

rayiner wrote:
kalvano wrote:
rayiner wrote:
kalvano wrote:
False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.


Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job.



SMU places a respectable amount of people into "business" gigs. Dallas is weird, though. Lots of different businesses around.


Fair enough. I don't think that's true generally though. Texas is kind of weird generally.



I concur. Generally. And specifically.




Return to “Legal Employment”

Who is online

The online users are hidden on this forum.