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Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:20 pm

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby clone22 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:46 pm

seriously? You have to make a thread about it?

step 1: rank firms by how much above market they pay.
step 2: bid in that order.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:49 pm

clone22 wrote:seriously? You have to make a thread about it?

step 1: rank firms by how much above market they pay.
step 2: bid in that order.


Gee, thanks, that was helpful.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Ozymandias » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
clone22 wrote:seriously? You have to make a thread about it?

step 1: rank firms by how much above market they pay.
step 2: bid in that order.

Gee, thanks, that was helpful.

Not his fault you started a ridiculous thread.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Flash » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:53 pm

lol
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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:54 pm

I'm top 1% at YLS so it is hard for me to imagine how to bid in your unfortunate situation. Mass-mail early and network like crazy with alums? Maybe you'll get a job, who knows.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Haymarket » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:56 pm

You are not going to get any sympathy for being the prettiest girl at the dance and being put in the impossible and terrible spot of having to pick who you want. It really is as simple as listing out above market payers and ranking them by your preference.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:57 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
clone22 wrote:seriously? You have to make a thread about it?

step 1: rank firms by how much above market they pay.
step 2: bid in that order.

Gee, thanks, that was helpful.

Not his fault you started a ridiculous thread.


:roll:

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:59 pm

Guess I gave up all right to know which firms are better for what I am looking for than others :roll:. Especially for the LA market, you can't just go by Vault...

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:59 pm

Haymarket wrote:You are not going to get any sympathy for being the prettiest girl at the dance and being put in the impossible and terrible spot of having to pick who you want. It really is as simple as listing out above market payers and ranking them by your preference.


Yes, I totally asked for sympathy :roll:.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Haymarket » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:03 pm

The entitled responses and shiteating eyeroll smileys just make you all the less sympathetic and confirm the conclusion from your OP that you don't realize what an unbelievable douche you sound like.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:04 pm

Haymarket wrote:The entitled responses and shiteating eyeroll smileys just make you all the less sympathetic and confirm the conclusion from your OP that you don't realize what an unbelievable douche you sound like.


Please take it elsewhere.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Ozymandias » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Guess I gave up all right to know which firms are better for what I am looking for than others :roll: . Especially for the LA market, you can't just go by Vault...

Well no shit, but if you're top 5% at HLS I would assume you can figure out how to use the very simple TLS search function.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Haymarket wrote:You are not going to get any sympathy for being the prettiest girl at the dance and being put in the impossible and terrible spot of having to pick who you want. It really is as simple as listing out above market payers and ranking them by your preference.


Yes, I totally asked for sympathy :roll:.


Yes, and you're totally not a douchebag . . . :roll:

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:07 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Guess I gave up all right to know which firms are better for what I am looking for than others :roll: . Especially for the LA market, you can't just go by Vault...

Well no shit, but if you're top 5% at HLS I would assume you can figure out how to use the very simple TLS search function.


Sorry my thread offended you so. I was looking for individualized advice. Guess I am just a total "entitled douche" for starting a bid list thread...unlike the 50 other ones floating around.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Haymarket wrote:You are not going to get any sympathy for being the prettiest girl at the dance and being put in the impossible and terrible spot of having to pick who you want. It really is as simple as listing out above market payers and ranking them by your preference.


Yes, I totally asked for sympathy :roll:.


Yes, and you're totally not a douchebag . . . :roll:


And the 50 other bid lists threads are not douchebags?

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Ozymandias » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Sorry my thread offended you so. I was looking for individualized advice. Guess I am just a total "entitled douche" for starting a bid list thread...unlike the 50 other ones floating around.
Anonymous User wrote:And the 50 other bid lists threads are not douchebags?

Unlike many of the other posts, you don't need help with bidding strategy. You are competitive at nearly every firm, which you undoubtedly already knew, and the information you do need is elsewhere on TLS. Your main concern now will be not coming across as incompetent and obnoxious in your interviews, and I wish you the best of luck with that.

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Re: HLS top 5% bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:13 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Sorry my thread offended you so. I was looking for individualized advice. Guess I am just a total "entitled douche" for starting a bid list thread...unlike the 50 other ones floating around.
Anonymous User wrote:And the 50 other bid lists threads are not douchebags?

Unlike many of the other posts, you don't need help with bidding strategy. You are competitive at nearly every firm, which you undoubtedly already knew, and the information you do need is elsewhere on TLS. Your main concern now will be not coming across as incompetent and obnoxious in your interviews, and I wish you the best of luck with that.


If it bothers you so much, why post? I didn't realize there was a certain point at which I couldn't post in the legal employment forum, or gave up my ability to ask about bidding strategy. Like I said, I made the post for individualized responses, did not attack anyone or pretty much say anything except my bid list, and got jumped on by everyone.

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Re: HLS LA bidlist

Postby sheD » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:17 pm

Haha love that it only took OP about two minutes to change the thread title. Sorry man, no one's too concerned about making sure HLS top 5% gets a job at Susman over MTO.

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Re: HLS LA bidlist

Postby Ozymandias » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If it bothers you so much, why post? I didn't realize there was a certain point at which I couldn't post in the legal employment forum, or gave up my ability to ask about bidding strategy. Like I said, I made the post for individualized responses, did not attack anyone or pretty much say anything except my bid list, and got jumped on by everyone.
Not bothered in the slightest. I believe you are the only one bothered ITT. You're more than welcome to continue posting in Legal Employment, while I will continue attempting to direct you to the search function, which is quite helpful.

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Re: HLS LA bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:18 pm

sheD wrote:Haha love that it only took OP about two minutes to change the thread title. Sorry man, no one's too concerned about making sure HLS top 5% gets a job at Susman over MTO.


Yes, obviously did not realize I would offend so many people. I'm sorry I did, i'm going to edit out the OP and let this thread die. I honestly was just looking for advice, and I apologize if I upset anyone.

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Re: HLS LA bidlist

Postby Shaggier1 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:22 pm

TLS, we can do better than this. Just because OP has done very well at one of the best law schools does not mean s/he should not strategize/seek advice. A bad bidding strategy is exactly the sort of thing that could derail an otherwise very strong candidate.

OP: I am at one of the firms listed in your top 10 (in LA, as well). Coulpe of quick thoughts:

1) No Quinn? (I personally did not like Quinn and I advise people to stay away from it for a number of reasons, but if you are looking to litigate in LA, I am surprised not to see it on your list).

2) You should find out if Boies will be hiring for their Santa Monica office. If so, I would move it up on your list.

3) Unless you expect to have a clerkship locked up straight after graduation, be careful with Munger.

4) Generally, don't put so much emphasis on firms paying above market (if anything, this is probably what pissed other posters off - lots of people here are just hoping not to strike out, so it is probably difficult to see someone looking to go above market). Aside from Wachtell, it is probably only a short-term benefit. You are better off, in the long run, being at a firm where you can grow and be happy as an attorney.

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Re: HLS LA bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Shaggier1 wrote:TLS, we can do better than this. Just because OP has done very well at one of the best law schools does not mean s/he should not strategize/seek advice. A bad bidding strategy is exactly the sort of thing that could derail an otherwise very strong candidate.

OP: I am at one of the firms listed in your top 10 (in LA, as well). Coulpe of quick thoughts:

1) No Quinn? (I personally did not like Quinn and I advise people to stay away from it for a number of reasons, but if you are looking to litigate in LA, I am surprised not to see it on your list).

2) You should find out if Boies will be hiring for their Santa Monica office. If so, I would move it up on your list.

3) Unless you expect to have a clerkship locked up straight after graduation, be careful with Munger.

4) Generally, don't put so much emphasis on firms paying above market (if anything, this is probably what pissed other posters off - lots of people here are just hoping not to strike out, so it is probably difficult to see someone looking to go above market). Aside from Wachtell, it is probably only a short-term benefit. You are better off, in the long run, being at a firm where you can grow and be happy as an attorney.


I really appreciate this, thank you so much. I do apologize for how I went about it, I absolutely should have posted something much more tactful, like this post.

1) Quinn is doing their new OCI model where you send them your resume/transcript after an on-campus recruiting event. So I was just going to apply to them at some point. Not sure if Quinn is the best fit for me, however, based on their reputation.
2) Great point, thank you so much. I definitely am interested in Boies. I don’t think I saw them on the EIP list for the Santa Monica office, so I guess I will have to apply to them.
3) Great tip. Are their offers contingent on obtaining a clerkship? I am interested in doing one, but would not like to risk losing my offer due to changing my mind or not obtaining one.
4) Point taken. It’s hard for me to differentiate between firms, so that was one objective thing I was looking at. But I definitely would not want to sacrifice long run happiness for a short term benefit. And sorry if that upset anyone, I was just trying to be honest in what I was looking for in order to get the best advice.

Thanks again for the great thoughts and advice.

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Re: Please lock.

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:39 pm

I advise people to stay away from it for a number of reasons,


Can you name some?

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Re: HLS LA bidlist

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Shaggier1 wrote:3) Unless you expect to have a clerkship locked up straight after graduation, be careful with Munger.

3) Great tip. Are their offers contingent on obtaining a clerkship? I am interested in doing one, but would not like to risk losing my offer due to changing my mind or not obtaining one.

Offers aren't contingent on getting a clerkship, unlike Susman. But about 80% of the attorneys have clerked, and the firm has high hiring standards. So if you aren't competitive for a clerkship, you aren't competitive for Munger.

The only two big LA firms that pay above-market bonuses are Quinn and Irell. Both have sweatshop reputations—or semi-sweatshop reputations in Irell's case. Boies's Santa Monica office is tiny: four attorneys. Same with Susman's LA office: maybe ten attorneys. I don't know if either regularly takes SA's. Of the large firms, Munger is the most selective. People go there for a variety of reasons: one-to-one partner-associate ratio, collegial environment, good partnership odds, reasonable hours, interesting work, good exit options, and smart colleagues (about 15% of the attorneys clerked for SCOTUS). But each year the firm no-offers a couple SAs who can't write.

Edit: K&E also pays above-market bonuses. But as with Quinn and Boies, you've got to work crazy hours to get a great bonus.




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