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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:39 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Folks with work experience seem to be doing better than those without.

I have good work experience and median grades. I have 7 callbacks, 3 w/ elite (for lack of a better word) firms. Two friends who have really interesting work experience and below median grades have 7 & 8. Our friend who's a K-JD at the tip top of the class has 3. . . . FWIW. None of us out HYP.

I honestly think that thoroughly researching the firm, having insightful firm-specific questions prepared, and dressing well matter more than grades or work experience. That's my anecdotal two cents.


What market?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What market?


D.C.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:30 pm

Anyone with CBs at Varnum, Warner, or Bodman mind sharing stats?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone with CBs at Varnum, Warner, or Bodman mind sharing stats?


Of people I know who got CBs from those firms, the decision wasn't based on stats. Some people had high GPAs and others had below median GPAs

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:12 pm

Skadden - Chi ding

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Skadden - Chi ding


How?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:45 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Skadden - Chi ding


How?


And if you don't mind, what were your interviewer's initials?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:20 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Skadden - Chi ding


How?


And if you don't mind, what were your interviewer's initials?


Different anon, but I got mine via snail mail yesterday (at my permanent address, closer to Chi than AA, dunno if that makes a difference), interviewer initials GT.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:29 pm

keg411 wrote:Michigan people not doing well - first, mass mail. But also, go talk to OCP and put yourself on their radar. Trust me when I say that firms come around and you want to be one of the people that knows when they do. I know it's scary now to have 1/2/0 CB's, but you have to keep being as proactive as possible.

Also, read my thread. If you're worried about interviewing, OCP can help set you up with someone -- but try and ask for a real attorney and not just someone in the office. I got pretty brutal feedback last year, but it was definitely worth knowing how/where I was screwing up.

What do you mean by talk to OCP and put ourself on their radar? Other than asking for interviewing advice, what can they do? E.g., How do I get on a list of people they'll contact if a firm contacts them?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Bronte » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:33 pm

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keg411 wrote:Michigan people not doing well - first, mass mail. But also, go talk to OCP and put yourself on their radar. Trust me when I say that firms come around and you want to be one of the people that knows when they do. I know it's scary now to have 1/2/0 CB's, but you have to keep being as proactive as possible.

Also, read my thread. If you're worried about interviewing, OCP can help set you up with someone -- but try and ask for a real attorney and not just someone in the office. I got pretty brutal feedback last year, but it was definitely worth knowing how/where I was screwing up.

What do you mean by talk to OCP and put ourself on their radar? Other than asking for interviewing advice, what can they do? E.g., How do I get on a list of people they'll contact if a firm contacts them?


I would suspect she means to go in and ask for help. Tell them that you didnt do well at OCI and they will hell you out.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby keg411 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:52 pm

Bronte wrote:
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keg411 wrote:Michigan people not doing well - first, mass mail. But also, go talk to OCP and put yourself on their radar. Trust me when I say that firms come around and you want to be one of the people that knows when they do. I know it's scary now to have 1/2/0 CB's, but you have to keep being as proactive as possible.

Also, read my thread. If you're worried about interviewing, OCP can help set you up with someone -- but try and ask for a real attorney and not just someone in the office. I got pretty brutal feedback last year, but it was definitely worth knowing how/where I was screwing up.

What do you mean by talk to OCP and put ourself on their radar? Other than asking for interviewing advice, what can they do? E.g., How do I get on a list of people they'll contact if a firm contacts them?


I would suspect she means to go in and ask for help. Tell them that you didnt do well at OCI and they will hell you out.


Yup. If you go in and ask, they will give you advice and help you out. Tell them your concerns, what you feel might've gone wrong, ask what you can do to get a SA job, what you've done since OCI, etc.

I don't think there's a magic "list" or anything like that, but the more you work with them and listen to them, the more willing they will be to help you out (call firms you did CB's with, send you contacts for firms looking, etc.). But don't pushback against them or say what they suggest "won't work". Listen to them, do what they say, and they will help you out.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:00 pm

keg411 wrote:
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keg411 wrote:Michigan people not doing well - first, mass mail. But also, go talk to OCP and put yourself on their radar. Trust me when I say that firms come around and you want to be one of the people that knows when they do. I know it's scary now to have 1/2/0 CB's, but you have to keep being as proactive as possible.

Also, read my thread. If you're worried about interviewing, OCP can help set you up with someone -- but try and ask for a real attorney and not just someone in the office. I got pretty brutal feedback last year, but it was definitely worth knowing how/where I was screwing up.

What do you mean by talk to OCP and put ourself on their radar? Other than asking for interviewing advice, what can they do? E.g., How do I get on a list of people they'll contact if a firm contacts them?


I would suspect she means to go in and ask for help. Tell them that you didnt do well at OCI and they will hell you out.


Yup. If you go in and ask, they will give you advice and help you out. Tell them your concerns, what you feel might've gone wrong, ask what you can do to get a SA job, what you've done since OCI, etc.

I don't think there's a magic "list" or anything like that, but the more you work with them and listen to them, the more willing they will be to help you out (call firms you did CB's with, send you contacts for firms looking, etc.). But don't pushback against them or say what they suggest "won't work". Listen to them, do what they say, and they will help you out.

Thanks, you are awesome!

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:09 pm

Also, some of the counselors are better than others. If you go in and get lame advice, just make an appointment with someone else. I went in b/c I was fretting about not having a 1L SA. The first counselor said that I should think about working at the law library + Starbucks. I made another appointment and the next counselor gave me a list of seven or eight things I could actually do to continue to improve me chances. I ended up getting a paid gig two weeks later based on that second counselor's advice.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Also, some of the counselors are better than others. If you go in and get lame advice, just make an appointment with someone else. I went in b/c I was fretting about not having a 1L SA. The first counselor said that I should think about working at the law library + Starbucks. I made another appointment and the next counselor gave me a list of seven or eight things I could actually do to continue to improve me chances. I ended up getting a paid gig two weeks later based on that second counselor's advice.

If you don't mind, what was the list?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby keg411 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:Also, some of the counselors are better than others. If you go in and get lame advice, just make an appointment with someone else. I went in b/c I was fretting about not having a 1L SA. The first counselor said that I should think about working at the law library + Starbucks. I made another appointment and the next counselor gave me a list of seven or eight things I could actually do to continue to improve me chances. I ended up getting a paid gig two weeks later based on that second counselor's advice.


Agree with this. But I don't want to post on here who is/isn't good.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby AreJay711 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:45 am

Anonymous User wrote:For next year's class, a note on why I think I received call-backs from a set of firms, but none from a couple peer firms: I wouldn't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever [Friday reference] talk about how much you like a firm's pro bono program. Unless you're making some quick, passing reference. Even for firms with great pro bono programs, they could be worried you're just going to use them to pay off debt, then skip off to whatever public interest gig you're thinking about. Maybe there are some situations in which it would be all right, but I would be wary.


I talked with one firm about their probono program and got a callback. I think it depends on how much emphasis they put on probono

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:01 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:For next year's class, a note on why I think I received call-backs from a set of firms, but none from a couple peer firms: I wouldn't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever [Friday reference] talk about how much you like a firm's pro bono program. Unless you're making some quick, passing reference. Even for firms with great pro bono programs, they could be worried you're just going to use them to pay off debt, then skip off to whatever public interest gig you're thinking about. Maybe there are some situations in which it would be all right, but I would be wary.


I talked with one firm about their probono program and got a callback. I think it depends on how much emphasis they put on probono


Yep, also depends on how it fits with your narrative. Talked to one firm about a pro bono case I worked with one of their lawyers on this summer; got a callback.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:44 pm

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AreJay711 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:For next year's class, a note on why I think I received call-backs from a set of firms, but none from a couple peer firms: I wouldn't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever [Friday reference] talk about how much you like a firm's pro bono program. Unless you're making some quick, passing reference. Even for firms with great pro bono programs, they could be worried you're just going to use them to pay off debt, then skip off to whatever public interest gig you're thinking about. Maybe there are some situations in which it would be all right, but I would be wary.


I talked with one firm about their probono program and got a callback. I think it depends on how much emphasis they put on probono


Yep, also depends on how it fits with your narrative. Talked to one firm about a pro bono case I worked with one of their lawyers on this summer; got a callback.


Generally, I think it's good advice to only talk about pro bono to the extent you're discussing professional skills development. This is especially true for people with lots of pro bono on their resume.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:26 pm

Can anyone speak to the culture of these firms' Chicago offices –

(1) Sidley Austin
(2) Mayer Brown
(3) Kirkland Ellis
(4) Jones Day
(5) Perkins Coie

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:06 am

have CBs/dings gone out for Paul Weiss NYC? what about Quinn NYC? did either of these firms have callback dinners or that sort of thing during OCI week?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:28 am

Anonymous User wrote:Can anyone speak to the culture of these firms' Chicago offices –

(1) Sidley Austin
(2) Mayer Brown
(3) Kirkland Ellis
(4) Jones Day
(5) Perkins Coie



I love Sidley....just did my CB last week and I'm leaning towards choosing Sidley. I found the Mayer Brown atmosphere to be a bit "nerdy." Kirkland's culture is intense. The free-market system is not for everyone. Don't know about JD or PC.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:28 am

Anonymous User wrote:Can anyone speak to the culture of these firms' Chicago offices –

(1) Sidley Austin
(2) Mayer Brown
(3) Kirkland Ellis
(4) Jones Day
(5) Perkins Coie



I love Sidley....just did my CB last week and I'm leaning towards choosing Sidley. I found the Mayer Brown atmosphere to be a bit "nerdy." Kirkland's culture is intense. The free-market system is not for everyone. Don't know about JD or PC.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:40 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Can anyone speak to the culture of these firms' Chicago offices –

(1) Sidley Austin
(2) Mayer Brown
(3) Kirkland Ellis
(4) Jones Day
(5) Perkins Coie



I love Sidley....just did my CB last week and I'm leaning towards choosing Sidley. I found the Mayer Brown atmosphere to be a bit "nerdy." Kirkland's culture is intense. The free-market system is not for everyone. Don't know about JD or PC.


Thanks for the response . . .

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:45 pm

Anyone hear from Latham Chicago? What about Neal, Gerber, Eisenberg?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:48 pm

Anyone hear from K&L Gates Chicago or Locke Lord?




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