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who pay your salary?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:54 pm

I am going to ask a dumb question. However, I am interested in how a big firm operates.

suppose I get hired at a biglaw's small regional office of, say, 10-15 people. I heard that in many cases, the managing partner of the regional office could make the major hiring decision (unless the office is really tiny)

1. Why should the partner of a small office be able to make hiring decisions that would ultimately involve paying an associate from the whole firm's revenues? shouldn't the partner get approval from the main offices?

2. if the hiring is done at an overseas office (like asia)
will the associate's salary be made of revenues from overseas or revenues from both overseas and local offices?

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby dixiecupdrinking » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:04 pm

I don't really think this is any different from how any large business delegates any decision making authority to local managers. When a Wal Mart store manager hires a bad cashier it might impact Wal Mart's bottom line but the manager has still been given the ability to make that decision for a number of reasons.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:11 pm

i got your point.
I am not saying that an associate is a very significant role. but a bigfirm may only have, say, 500+ associates and hiring an associate is more significant than walmart hiring a cashier.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:i got your point.
I am not saying that an associate is a very significant role. but a bigfirm may only have, say, 500+ associates and hiring an associate is more significant than walmart hiring a cashier.


This goes to the very basic principles of why people use agents. The partnership doesn't have time to micromanage hiring decisions (neither does the executive committee), thus they delegate that authority to hiring committees or managing partners.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby Renzo » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:03 am

A small office will have a small practice group, and there will be a partner in charge of it. If you work in that office, you'll be working for that guy. The rest of the firm doesn't really care who that guy hires to work on his cases, since he'll be the one dealing with them.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby Bildungsroman » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:34 am

Renzo wrote:A small office will have a small practice group, and there will be a partner in charge of it. If you work in that office, you'll be working for that guy. The rest of the firm doesn't really care who that guy hires to work on his cases, since he'll be the one dealing with them.

No man, the partner should have to email "HQ" for approval on every decision he makes. New hire? Needs approval. Filing brief? Needs approval. Buying a cake for an employee's birthday? Needs approval. Scratching ass? Partner's discretion.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:22 pm

Another way to look at it is that a partnership may decide to divide up administrative tasks. Say there are 100 partners. The partnership may decide to put a number of partners in charge of making hiring decisions (a few in the main office, and one or two per smaller office), put other partners in charge of decisions to do with office space, hiring of top-level administrative/technology/etc. managers, compensation, development of new practice areas, media outreach, etc. etc. etc. Important decisions may need to be decided by vote (or by the management committee in consultation with the entire partnership), but not every decision needs to be made by vote of 100 people.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby target » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:04 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:No man, the partner should have to email "HQ" for approval on every decision he makes. New hire? Needs approval. Filing brief? Needs approval. Buying a cake for an employee's birthday? Needs approval. Scratching ass? Partner's discretion.


file insurance coverage for itchy ass? Need approval. amirite?

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby androstan » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:00 pm

Think of it this way. The partner(s) in charge of the small office bring in a certain amount of revenue from that office. They spend a certain amount on human capital (salaries). As long as net profit is high enough, nobody cares if you happened to hire 1 incompetent associate. If profit isn't high enough, you're shown the door.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby sundance95 » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:04 pm

androstan wrote:Think of it this way. The partner(s) in charge of the small office bring in a certain amount of revenue from that office. They spend a certain amount on human capital (salaries). As long as net profit is high enough, nobody cares if you happened to hire 1 incompetent associate. If profit isn't high enough, you're shown the door.

Lol no

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby androstan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:10 pm

sundance95 wrote:
androstan wrote:Think of it this way. The partner(s) in charge of the small office bring in a certain amount of revenue from that office. They spend a certain amount on human capital (salaries). As long as net profit is high enough, nobody cares if you happened to hire 1 incompetent associate. If profit isn't high enough, you're shown the door.

Lol no

Lol yes.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby sundance95 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:18 pm

If you think that no one cares about incompetence until margins are hurt then you are very mistaken.

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby pattonthicke » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:45 pm

OP, here is the deal. This may be firm-specific, but this is how it happens at some firms. A partner is a partner because he/she has a book of buisness that justifies his/her existence as a partner. Each partner has clients and predicts how much business they will have in the future based on their interactions with their clients. So a managing partner from a far away office may not even be in a position to hire someone for a regional office, because they dont have the interaction with the clients to know how much work will come in over the next couple of years. At a lot of firms, practice group leaders make decisions about who to hire in their group because they are the ones who know how much work needs to be delegated. The managing partner or hiring committee may have no say so at all. They cant hire someone to go to the tax group when the tax partner who has the book of business doesnt have enough business to give the young associate

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Re: who pay your salary?

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:46 pm

they for sure know/predict the business - but when the salary is paid, it is issued by the firm, not by the regional office, right?




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