Anonymous User wrote: Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:0L here with TX roots. Just curious: around what % must you be at UT to secure a V&E houston CB and offer?
There's no secure for a callback. This is an interview, it is not law school admissions where they look at LSAT and GPA and go okay. You need to ace the interview and make a connection and even then some factors are simply out of your control.
That said V&E does seem to be stricter on grades. Meaning if you are below the top 15-20% getting an offer there will probably be very tough/impossible. But while a high GPA is NECESSARY, it is not SUFFICIENT.
This is false, at least for last year. Was probably around top-40 percent and got offers from V&E as well as the other usual suspects. Went 20/24 for biglaw screeners--->offers at UT OCI. No STEM and no significant work experience.
My grades clearly weren't awful, but it cannot be said often enough that just because 25% or whatever get biglaw does not mean the top 25% get biglaw.
Yeah, UT is way, way worse than its rankings should suggest. If you were in a fraternity/sorority, it might work out for you. Otherwise, it is far from uncommon to be in the top quarter or even the top 10% and strike out completely. It's the nature of preselect that favors certain personalities more than a normal lottery system would.
Were I to do it over again, I would probably take even the lower T14 (at least the ones with ready access to NYC) over UT with a full ride. For many law students, Columbia sticker vs. UT full tuition should be no contest. Also, Vanderbilt is better than UT in just about every way, even if you want to work in Texas. I am surprised that out-of-staters even come to UT anymore since I'm sure Vanderbilt matches whatever financial aid UT gives out to nonresidents. Clerkship placement is equal, and big law is about 30% better at Vandy. Basically, you've got Fordham and Vanderbilt, both with better big law placement than UT. No reason to ever attend UT unless you're from Texas, and the legal market here (which is shrinking, despite the myths) is actually worse than the legal market in northern California, which is expanding.
Also, Austin is a death trap with respect to networking. I went to a networking event, and virtually everyone was an engineer who practiced IP. Really, the only type of law practiced here is IP. I was shocked as a 1L when I wasted an entire evening at a school-wide networking event that was comprised solely of IP attorneys -- because that's mostly what you find at places like V&E, BB, Dechert, and Locke Lord (all the major firms) in Austin. At least at Fordham, you can network with people who actually engage in one of the practices available to most law students. Here's hoping 0L's read this and stay away from UT.