Anonymous User wrote:. . . In NY, the only people I know who got offers there were kids with pretty good ties to NY (as much as this board says NY ties don't matter much). This may just because a lot of the BC/BU kids have pretty Boston-heavy resumes, which probably scares off a lot of employers when combined with going to law school there. I didn't interview in NY, but I know someone who did, and he mentioned that he was getting the treatment on "Why NY?" Keep in mind, he was born and raised in Boston and loves the city, so employers must have picked up on it.
I found NY ties not to matter too much, but it may have been because I'm from the western U.S. and could equate both Boston and New York as the "East Coast" from my perspective. Before discounting my results as being just from grades/law review, consider that I got around nine screeners at the NYC fair, but six of those were alternates. With no cover letters involved (just resume/transcript), most would assume a top 10%er would get more preselects. Perhaps the preselect process is where my non-East Coast resume hurt me, rather than in interviews themselves.
For the NYC fair, my screener-to-callback conversion ratio was 33% (2/3 preselects, 1/6 alternates). My callback-to-offer conversion ratio on the two callbacks I did was 50%.
For anyone reading this in the future, do the NYC fair even if you have no desire to live or work there. For a total trip cost of ~$100-150 (bus, hotel, food), much cheaper if you can crash on a couch, you get lots of worthwhile interviewing experience before OCI starts the following week. There are plenty of great firms that attend, and having a job in NY is better than nothing if things don't work out how you plan at OCI.
Anonymous User wrote:To give you an idea of how OCI goes, kids in the top 10% and LR get about 25 OCI interviews. Those same people can easily pick up another 10 in the NYC off campus program, and maybe a few more in DC (not really sure on DC). So you can easily get about 25-40 screeners at the top of the class. As you go down the class rank, those numbers go down. Anecdotally, I know one person top 35% who basically got no OCI interviews (though he was K-JD with no Boston ties) and another person at median (with some WE and Boston ties) and he got like 3-4 interviews, though only one was biglaw, and the others were more midlaw. Also know other person at below median with good WE who picked up 2 offers and got like 10 interviews.
Grades will get you screeners no doubt. If you have top of the class grades, your on campus process will be busy. As far as converting those to callbacks and offers, you just have to nail interviews. Good WE definitely helps a lot in being able to sell yourself in interviews, so I think that's why a lot of people have better results with WE. But many K-JDs got offers by being very personable and conversational/likeable and being able to sell themselves in other ways.
Instead of the estimated 25 OCI interviews, I got about 10 preselects and a few alternates that didn't convert. Out of those 10 preselects, three were from NY/DE and I did not get bites at Ropes, Wilmer, or Bingham. I would guess that people similarly situated to me got anywhere from 50-100+% more preselects than I did. A resume drop with recruiters got me slots after 5pm with Latham and Ropes, but neither of those converted to callbacks.
I agree with the claim regarding the importance of good interviewing. Initially, I was concerned to have a relatively "low" number of screeners, but interviewing saved me I guess. I know for a fact that doing the NYC fair helped me refine my interviewing skills enough to make a significant difference in my results at OCI. For firms' Boston offices, my screener-to-callback conversion ratio was 55%, and my callback-to-offer conversion ratio was 80%.
All in all, I feel extremely blessed and am very grateful for how things worked out. Despite my placement in the class, I also mass-mailed like crazy in August before OCI because I figured nothing was a given. I have friends that are great writers, top 33%, secondary journal, etc. that didn't snag many interviews, much less an offer. It seems pretty brutal out there... Best of luck to those still looking!