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Hm, definitely not the case at BU. I only know of one K-JD who got a Ropes offer, and a lot of Law Review K-JD's at BU didn't even get screeners with Ropes when they callbacks at places like Choate and Wilmer. I also haven't heard of anyone who got an offer at the Boston office (though of course maybe I just haven't heard of it). The people who got offers seem to be going to non-Boston offices.Anonymous User wrote:I know many K-JDs who got callbacks at Ropes at BC. I know people with no WE who have offers there, and people with finance work who didn't get an offer.
However, on the whole, WE appeared to help, as long as it was some sort of professional WE,
In my experience: Personality/Connections to Boston > LR/Grades > Work Experience (once you get a callback). I had on-point work experience and LR/10% grades, but because I'm a bit of an awkward person and completely lack ties to Boston, I didn't get a number of offers. In contrast, I know people with arts degrees and connections to Boston who got offers at top firms.Anonymous User wrote:I thought my work experience would be valued much more. It seems like work experience (or maybe just my work experience -- 3 years in a sort of related field) helps differentiate between candidates who are top 15-20% and on secondary journals but definitely does not trump LR/top 5-10% of the class. Or maybe my personality just sucks?
I mostly agree with this, but at least at BC it seemed like very, very few people with connections/great personalities managed to get screeners or offers without having the grades and journal membership firms traditionally look for. Most of the ppl I know of who even got callbacks without journal membership/good grades were people who are diverse in some way (LGBT, minority race, etc).Anonymous User wrote:
I thought my work experience would be valued much more. It seems like work experience (or maybe just my work experience -- 3 years in a sort of related field) helps differentiate between candidates who are top 15-20% and on secondary journals but definitely does not trump LR/top 5-10% of the class. Or maybe my personality just sucks?
In my experience: Personality/Connections to Boston > LR/Grades > Work Experience (once you get a callback). I had on-point work experience and LR/10% grades, but because I'm a bit of an awkward person and completely lack ties to Boston, I didn't get a number of offers. In contrast, I know people with arts degrees and connections to Boston who got offers at top firms.
I think that it has been 10 weeks in the past.Anonymous User wrote:to those with edwards offers ( not sure if either of the people who seemed to be posting here accepted) but any idea how long their program is? 10 weeks?
Anonymous User wrote:I heard Choate is still doing some late callbacks (might have been a yield thing), for what it's worth.
Sorry to hear. Stats?Anonymous User wrote:I just got my last ding today actually. Officially struck out.
Always an interesting issue and the final word on the street is really: offers can be pretty random!Anonymous User wrote:I mostly agree with this, but at least at BC it seemed like very, very few people with connections/great personalities managed to get screeners or offers without having the grades and journal membership firms traditionally look for. Most of the ppl I know of who even got callbacks without journal membership/good grades were people who are diverse in some way (LGBT, minority race, etc).Anonymous User wrote:
I thought my work experience would be valued much more. It seems like work experience (or maybe just my work experience -- 3 years in a sort of related field) helps differentiate between candidates who are top 15-20% and on secondary journals but definitely does not trump LR/top 5-10% of the class. Or maybe my personality just sucks?
In my experience: Personality/Connections to Boston > LR/Grades > Work Experience (once you get a callback). I had on-point work experience and LR/10% grades, but because I'm a bit of an awkward person and completely lack ties to Boston, I didn't get a number of offers. In contrast, I know people with arts degrees and connections to Boston who got offers at top firms.
Shoot them an email anyways, you've got nothing to lose.Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous User wrote:I heard Choate is still doing some late callbacks (might have been a yield thing), for what it's worth.
Too bad I got a rejection letter from them two days after my screener. I would have been happy to work there.
I think the previous posts delve into it. Not sure what else I would say. I'd be more curious if people shared where they ended up to get better impressions of how the market was.Anonymous User wrote:What were the impressions of how things went at BC/BU this year?
It's tough to say in part because people generally don't talk about it.Anonymous User wrote:What were the impressions of how things went at BC/BU this year?
I would say this is pretty accurate. More than anything, I think %s are hard to tell since, at least from my experience and that of the poster above, people generally aren't talking about it.Anonymous User wrote:It's tough to say in part because people generally don't talk about it.Anonymous User wrote:What were the impressions of how things went at BC/BU this year?
But first off, Ropes cut it's class size by about 20-30 people. This alone takes out about 10-15% of the total summer associate positions available in Boston. Ropes has historically been the only firm with class sizes that were rivaling NY sizes, so this was a pretty big hit to the market. At least at BC, I know Ropes extended offers to about 17 BC kids last year. This year I think it was closer to 5. Goodwin I think kept a pretty consistent class size, and rumors are Wilmer got smaller (though I seem to know a ton of people going there). None of the other top tier firms (Choate, Foley Hoag, Bingham, Skadden) seemed to increase class sizes much, so Boston was probably a fairly tough market this year.
In NY, the only people I know who got offers there were kids with pretty good ties to NY (as much as this board says NY ties don't matter much). This may just because a lot of the BC/BU kids have pretty Boston-heavy resumes, which probably scares off a lot of employers when combined with going to law school there. I didn't interview in NY, but I know someone who did, and he mentioned that he was getting the treatment on "Why NY?" Keep in mind, he was born and raised in Boston and loves the city, so employers must have picked up on it.
I don't know a single person with a DC offer, though not people interviewed there.
To give you an idea of how OCI goes, kids in the top 10% and LR get about 25 OCI interviews. Those same people can easily pick up another 10 in the NYC off campus program, and maybe a few more in DC (not really sure on DC). So you can easily get about 25-40 screeners at the top of the class. As you go down the class rank, those numbers go down. Anecdotally, I know one person top 35% who basically got no OCI interviews (though he was K-JD with no Boston ties) and another person at median (with some WE and Boston ties) and he got like 3-4 interviews, though only one was biglaw, and the others were more midlaw. Also know other person at below median with good WE who picked up 2 offers and got like 10 interviews.
Grades will get you screeners no doubt. If you have top of the class grades, your on campus process will be busy. As far as converting those to callbacks and offers, you just have to nail interviews. Good WE definitely helps a lot in being able to sell yourself in interviews, so I think that's why a lot of people have better results with WE. But many K-JDs got offers by being very personable and conversational/likeable and being able to sell themselves in other ways.
Overall, I'd guess somewhere from a quarter to a third converted offers from OCI.
I'll agree with this-- It's hard to get a feel. I don't know of anyone that wasn't IP, URM, or top 33% (or some combination thereof) or so that got an offer.Anonymous User wrote:I would say this is pretty accurate. More than anything, I think %s are hard to tell since, at least from my experience and that of the poster above, people generally aren't talking about it.