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Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby IsTheFatLadySinging » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:48 pm

Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby jessuf » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:30 pm

Pure lottery. Top 20 on your bid list get your resume even if you don't get an interview with them through the lottery. Least selective firms are the hardest to get interviews with, of course. OCS has some good materials on their webpage like number of interview slots vs. number of bids, GULC hiring data, etc. You upload your resume to Symplicity, place your top 50 bids (1-50). The algorithm does some weird magic, you are notified of which firms you get an interview with, top 20 firms get your resume, you mass mail firms you don't get an interview with to tell them you are interested in them, etc. etc.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby jessuf » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:32 pm

If you're still confused, you should call your OCS advisor. I'm assuming we have the same one. He will explain to you what markets are best for you to target, how to do mass mailing, will review your bid list if you have one, do a resume critique, help you figure out what practice areas you should aim for, etc. Mine told me some kind of depressing things that I didn't want to hear about my marketability as a transfer, but I appreciated the honesty.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:36 pm

GULCer here.

Top 20 on your bid list get your resume even if you don't get an interview with them through the lottery. Least selective firms are the hardest to get interviews with, of course.
This is what career services tells us, but I got an email from a firm I listed 45th asking for an interview.

YMMV. and i dont' know why career services would lie, or if they just made a mistake that year.

There's a file that lists how many interview spots there will be this year + how many interview spots there were for that firm historically and how many people bid on them last year. Use this to strategically bid to maximize interviews.

If you have decent grades list a few home run firms in the 30s. Since GULC is getting destroyed in OCI the weakest firms are the easiest to get interview with, so if you're at least top 1/3 you may as well take a shot at prestigious firms since the interview is low cost high reward (you're not getting a non-selective firm with your 25th bid, but you're probably gettign DPW or Weil with your 25th bid).

Mass mail like there's no tomorrow.

Go to every hospitality suite, drop off your resume, chat, be friendly, etc.

if any GULCers want a bid list critique for NY and DC firms post ITT and I'll PM you.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby xcountryjunkie » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:13 pm

Rising GULC 3L here. Happy to answer any and all OCI-related questions either here or through a PM.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby vinnievanlowe » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:19 pm

I'm in the top 10%, but not interested in working in NYC at all (interested primarily in DC/Chi lit) . Is that suicidal?

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Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:28 pm

vinnievanlowe wrote:I'm in the top 10%, but not interested in working in NYC at all (interested primarily in DC/Chi lit) . Is that suicidal?

Ties to Chicago? Can be a tough nut to crack.

DC is totally doable (I was top 10% as well and got two DC offers. I basically split bids DC and NY, and ended up with 6 or 7 NY offers and just the two DC offers. kinda shows how intense DC can be).

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby vinnievanlowe » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
vinnievanlowe wrote:I'm in the top 10%, but not interested in working in NYC at all (interested primarily in DC/Chi lit) . Is that suicidal?

Ties to Chicago? Can be a tough nut to crack.

DC is totally doable (I was top 10% as well and got two DC offers. I basically split bids DC and NY, and ended up with 6 or 7 NY offers and just the two DC offers. kinda shows how intense DC can be).


Some ties, I lived and worked there for a few years

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:50 pm

vinnievanlowe wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
vinnievanlowe wrote:I'm in the top 10%, but not interested in working in NYC at all (interested primarily in DC/Chi lit) . Is that suicidal?

Ties to Chicago? Can be a tough nut to crack.

DC is totally doable (I was top 10% as well and got two DC offers. I basically split bids DC and NY, and ended up with 6 or 7 NY offers and just the two DC offers. kinda shows how intense DC can be).


Some ties, I lived and worked there for a few years

Definitely give it a go then but I would hedge with some DC firms.

And, if you can bite the bullet, I'd mass mail to some New York firms and stop by NY hospitality suites during OCI. so much easier to get firm jobs in New york than anywhere else, and you definitely don't want all your eggs in the DC/Chicago basket (both ultra-competitive markets).

I'm risk averse though. Odds are you'll get something in DC and probably in CHicago as well.

props on killing 1L btw. well done.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby IsTheFatLadySinging » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:46 am

How do you recommend for a transfer to bid? I have strong ties to Chicago and Southern Florida (old school is in southern florida). Also, no ties but I'd love to work in NY.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby jessuf » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:12 am

Would anyone be willing to critique my bidlist? Please PM me :)

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby volsi » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:26 pm

xcountryjunkie wrote:Rising GULC 3L here. Happy to answer any and all OCI-related questions either here or through a PM.


Ditto. Currently summering at a NYC firm. Happy to help.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby LawIdiot86 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:00 pm

volsi wrote:
xcountryjunkie wrote:Rising GULC 3L here. Happy to answer any and all OCI-related questions either here or through a PM.


Ditto. Currently summering at a NYC firm. Happy to help.


I'm also happy to provide assistance.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby sambeber » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:50 am

How easy/hard is it to pick up interviews by emailing pre-EIW or stopping by hospitality suites? Does the level of difficulty have any correlation with the perceived selectivity of the firm?

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby estopped » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:32 pm

When are our EIW callbacks normally? EIW is from 13-17, and school doesn't start until Sept. 4, so will they be before or after school starts?

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby jessuf » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:01 pm

CSO told me a lot of them are after school starts and to therefore not load up on a lot of classes/hard classes fall semester.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby sambeber » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:13 pm

estopped wrote:When are our EIW callbacks normally? EIW is from 13-17, and school doesn't start until Sept. 4, so will they be before or after school starts?


My understanding is that they can be both before and after classes start, depending on how quickly the particular city tends to move, how quickly the firm moves, and how quickly you book your callbacks.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby estopped » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:13 pm

Is anybody bidding on California, or has anybody bid on California that I can run my bid list by or ask about the callback/offer prospects from GULC? I'm bidding mostly CA, with pockets of NY, and don't want to waste a bunch of bids for jobs I won't get.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby LawIdiot86 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:25 pm

sambeber wrote:
estopped wrote:When are our EIW callbacks normally? EIW is from 13-17, and school doesn't start until Sept. 4, so will they be before or after school starts?


My understanding is that they can be both before and after classes start, depending on how quickly the particular city tends to move, how quickly the firm moves, and how quickly you book your callbacks.


For most of the V100, firms with large classes and firms at 160, you'll know within two to three days, a week at the latest. For the 10% of stragglers, it could take as long as a month. They all say they take their time so they can sit on certain resumes as yield protection and so people they don't select won't blow up their phones begging while the rejection letters are in the mail.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby jessuf » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:36 pm

estopped wrote:Is anybody bidding on California, or has anybody bid on California that I can run my bid list by or ask about the callback/offer prospects from GULC? I'm bidding mostly CA, with pockets of NY, and don't want to waste a bunch of bids for jobs I won't get.


I'm doing the OTIP in CA cities. It's 100% preselect. I think I find out next week if anyone bites. Will post what I get, if anything.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby jessuf » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:37 pm

LawIdiot86 wrote:
sambeber wrote:
estopped wrote:When are our EIW callbacks normally? EIW is from 13-17, and school doesn't start until Sept. 4, so will they be before or after school starts?


My understanding is that they can be both before and after classes start, depending on how quickly the particular city tends to move, how quickly the firm moves, and how quickly you book your callbacks.


For most of the V100, firms with large classes and firms at 160, you'll know within two to three days, a week at the latest. For the 10% of stragglers, it could take as long as a month. They all say they take their time so they can sit on certain resumes as yield protection and so people they don't select won't blow up their phones begging while the rejection letters are in the mail.


For clarification: the firms call you within a week, or the callback itself occurs within a week? When do callbacks occur for most of the V100 firms? End of August? Sept?

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby shadow. » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:49 pm

Most (if not all) DC/NYC firms will call within 24-36 hours, if not sooner.

You schedule the CB, but the sooner the better. Most people generally start the Monday after EIW.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby LawIdiot86 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:56 pm

sambeber wrote:How easy/hard is it to pick up interviews by emailing pre-EIW or stopping by hospitality suites? Does the level of difficulty have any correlation with the perceived selectivity of the firm?


It's fairly hard if you are outside the auto-hire pool (top 5-10% + main or URM + grades). Emailing pre-EIW tends to work better than the suites. Remember, unless you've got something usually desirable, they're already seeing at least 21 other people who managed to get interviews with them. It doesn't correlate to the firm's selectivity. Also, it's risky, but interrupting the interviewer of a firm without a suite during their break or at the end of the day can work very well in my experience.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby LawIdiot86 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:57 pm

shadow. wrote:Most (if not all) DC/NYC firms will call within 24-36 hours, if not sooner.

You schedule the CB, but the sooner the better. Most people generally start the Monday after EIW.


Agreed. You want your callbacks as early as possible. Go to NYC multiple times, miss class, etc., if it gets you earlier interviews because that is when they have more openings to go around.

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Re: Can someone explain GULC's OCI?

Postby shadow. » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:13 am

LawIdiot86 wrote:
shadow. wrote:Most (if not all) DC/NYC firms will call within 24-36 hours, if not sooner.

You schedule the CB, but the sooner the better. Most people generally start the Monday after EIW.


Agreed. You want your callbacks as early as possible. Go to NYC multiple times, miss class, etc., if it gets you earlier interviews because that is when they have more openings to go around.


Yep- I basically did not attend class for the first 3 weeks of last fall.

Didn't harm me in terms of fall grades, but their importance vis a vis getting a job is extremely negligible (and that's understating it).




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