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Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:16 pm

3.26, probably no journal. did 1 international legal internship in undergrad, 1 year WE, 1 foreign language. I posted before but got some flack for being too aggressive. Hopefully this is more in line. Also, am i pretty much fucked?

Day 1
1. Stroock
2. Seward Kissel
3. Schulte
4. Cadwalader
5. Lowenstein
6. Proskauer
7. Milbank
8. Holland & Knight
9. Carter Ledyard
10. Chadbourne & Park
11. Bressler
12. Kasowitz
13. White & Case
14. Fried Frank
15. Ropes & Gray

Day 2
1. Brown Rudnick
2. Allen & Overy
3. Dechert
4. Wilkie Farr
5. Alston & Bird
6. Clifford Chance
7. Cahill
8. Crowell & Moring
9. GW Procter NY
10. Sidley Austin
11. Duane Morris NY
12. Hogan Lovells
13. Morgan Lewis NY
14. Paul Hastings
15. Paul Weiss

Day 3
1. Blank Rome
2. Linklaters
3. Reed Smith
4. Winston Strawn
5. Pillsbury
6. Bryan Cave
7. Freshfields
8. Epstein Becker
9. Hughes Hubbard
10. Shearman
11. Kirkland
12. Perkins Coie
13. Richards Layton
14. Kaye Scholer
15. Baker Hostetler

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Arbiter213 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:3.26, probably no journal. did 1 international legal internship in undergrad, 1 year WE, 1 foreign language. I posted before but got some flack for being too aggressive. Hopefully this is more in line. Also, am i pretty much fucked?

Day 1
1. Stroock
2. Seward Kissel
3. Schulte
4. Cadwalader
5. Lowenstein
6. Proskauer
7. Milbank
8. Holland & Knight
9. Carter Ledyard
10. Chadbourne & Park
11. Bressler
12. Kasowitz
13. White & Case
14. Fried Frank
15. Ropes & Gray

Day 2
1. Brown Rudnick
2. Allen & Overy
3. Dechert
4. Wilkie Farr
5. Alston & Bird
6. Clifford Chance
7. Cahill
8. Crowell & Moring
9. GW Procter NY
10. Sidley Austin
11. Duane Morris NY
12. Hogan Lovells
13. Morgan Lewis NY
14. Paul Hastings
15. Paul Weiss

Day 3
1. Blank Rome
2. Linklaters
3. Reed Smith
4. Winston Strawn
5. Pillsbury
6. Bryan Cave
7. Freshfields
8. Epstein Becker
9. Hughes Hubbard
10. Shearman
11. Kirkland
12. Perkins Coie
13. Richards Layton
14. Kaye Scholer
15. Baker Hostetler


This is much more reasonable. One or two things:

1. Don't limit yourself to 15 firms. Bid ALL the firms. There's no limit, and you NEED a full schedule. One or two of the firms you have in there low are just completely wasted- Kirkland will not happen, nor will Paul Weiss, nor Ropes (NYC or Boston). It's fine to bid them, but there's no reason to put them ahead of firms you stand a chance at. And again, you need to bid more than 15 firms a day. These are all NY presumably?

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:54 pm

Looks reasonable but just remove all V10 firms because it's just not happening and is a waste of a bid. Replace them with something more reasonable.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby clone22 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:55 pm

Arbiter213 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:3.26, probably no journal. did 1 international legal internship in undergrad, 1 year WE, 1 foreign language. I posted before but got some flack for being too aggressive. Hopefully this is more in line. Also, am i pretty much fucked?

Day 1
1. Stroock
2. Seward Kissel
3. Schulte
4. Cadwalader
5. Lowenstein
6. Proskauer
7. Milbank
8. Holland & Knight
9. Carter Ledyard
10. Chadbourne & Park
11. Bressler
12. Kasowitz
13. White & Case
14. Fried Frank
15. Ropes & Gray

Day 2
1. Brown Rudnick
2. Allen & Overy
3. Dechert
4. Wilkie Farr
5. Alston & Bird
6. Clifford Chance
7. Cahill
8. Crowell & Moring
9. GW Procter NY
10. Sidley Austin
11. Duane Morris NY
12. Hogan Lovells
13. Morgan Lewis NY
14. Paul Hastings
15. Paul Weiss

Day 3
1. Blank Rome
2. Linklaters
3. Reed Smith
4. Winston Strawn
5. Pillsbury
6. Bryan Cave
7. Freshfields
8. Epstein Becker
9. Hughes Hubbard
10. Shearman
11. Kirkland
12. Perkins Coie
13. Richards Layton
14. Kaye Scholer
15. Baker Hostetler


This is much more reasonable. One or two things:

1. Don't limit yourself to 15 firms. Bid ALL the firms. There's no limit, and you NEED a full schedule. One or two of the firms you have in there low are just completely wasted- Kirkland will not happen, nor will Paul Weiss, nor Ropes (NYC or Boston). It's fine to bid them, but there's no reason to put them ahead of firms you stand a chance at. And again, you need to bid more than 15 firms a day. These are all NY presumably?


holy hell arbiter, 5000 posts? Ithaca that boring in the summer?

OP: yes, much more reasonable bid list. And as arbiter said, no reason not to do at least 20-25 bids.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Arbiter213 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:02 pm

clone22 wrote:
holy hell arbiter, 5000 posts? Ithaca that boring in the summer?

OP: yes, much more reasonable bid list. And as arbiter said, no reason not to do at least 20-25 bids.


I guess you know who I am :P And yes. Yes it is. (I just noticed I'd cracked 5k myself, earlier this evening. I was shocked too.)

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:25 pm

Seems like we are GPA twins, OP. Bringing back OP's second inquiry, how fucked are we?

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby clone22 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Seems like we are GPA twins, OP. Bringing back OP's second inquiry, how fucked are we?


Not fucked at all if we are to believe what DeRosa is saying. Apparently there are plenty of market paying NY firms that would be happy to take Cornells at any grade. Might not be SullCrom, but do you really care? As long as you're not too discriminating at the name of the firm, order the "flexible" ones by decreasing order of SA class and bid away. Also you could try a few "moderates" if you're either diverse (URM), or speak a language the firm lists as useful/has an office in the country speaking that language.

DeRosa says that people normally get 15-20 screeners. As long as you're above their "low" callback number, it'll be about not being an aspie/ selling yourself as a Cornell.

We're surprisingly well prepared for the real world. I'm working for a state judge right now, and holy hell. Most of the lawyers that show up here would fail Lawyering miserably. Crap, when practicing lawyers don't know what a material breach is/why a material breach is important in a breach of contract claim, that says something.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Arbiter213 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Seems like we are GPA twins, OP. Bringing back OP's second inquiry, how fucked are we?


Hard to say. I would say only marginally, unless you're a terrible interviewer.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Lincoln » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Seems like we are GPA twins, OP. Bringing back OP's second inquiry, how fucked are we?


You likely won't have the luxury of being choosy, but assuming you can carry a conversation you should not have a problem getting at least one offer. Do what you can to not leave it to chance by preparing and getting honest opinions on your bid list and your interviewing skills.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:16 pm

Considering plenty of people above median strike out, I'd say pretty fucked, especially if you are looking for a market paying biglaw job.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Lincoln » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:31 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:Considering plenty of people above median strike out, I'd say pretty fucked, especially if you are looking for a market paying biglaw job.


And your source for this statement?

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:32 pm

Lincoln wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:Considering plenty of people above median strike out, I'd say pretty fucked, especially if you are looking for a market paying biglaw job.


And your source for this statement?


The same source that you use for your statements. General employment data + anecdotes.

I personally know a couple of people who struck out above median. Considering people don't exactly advertise being OCIPWNED and taking into account ITE Cornell places around 50% into biglaw, there are plenty of people above median who must strike out. HTH.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:38 pm

clone22 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Seems like we are GPA twins, OP. Bringing back OP's second inquiry, how fucked are we?


Not fucked at all if we are to believe what DeRosa is saying. Apparently there are plenty of market paying NY firms that would be happy to take Cornells at any grade. Might not be SullCrom, but do you really care? As long as you're not too discriminating at the name of the firm, order the "flexible" ones by decreasing order of SA class and bid away. Also you could try a few "moderates" if you're either diverse (URM), or speak a language the firm lists as useful/has an office in the country speaking that language.

DeRosa says that people normally get 15-20 screeners. As long as you're above their "low" callback number, it'll be about not being an aspie/ selling yourself as a Cornell.

We're surprisingly well prepared for the real world. I'm working for a state judge right now, and holy hell. Most of the lawyers that show up here would fail Lawyering miserably. Crap, when practicing lawyers don't know what a material breach is/why a material breach is important in a breach of contract claim, that says something.


Someone is drinking the kool-aid. Grades matter at Cornell. They matter a lot to marketing paying firms. We are no Harvard.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:43 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:Considering plenty of people above median strike out, I'd say pretty fucked, especially if you are looking for a market paying biglaw job.


And your source for this statement?


The same source that you use for your statements. General employment data + anecdotes.

I personally know a couple of people who struck out above median. Considering people don't exactly advertise being OCIPWNED and taking into account ITE Cornell places around 50% into biglaw, there are plenty of people above median who must strike out. HTH.

Plenty of people above median "must" strike out? Are you sure?

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:44 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
Lincoln wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:Considering plenty of people above median strike out, I'd say pretty fucked, especially if you are looking for a market paying biglaw job.


And your source for this statement?


The same source that you use for your statements. General employment data + anecdotes.

I personally know a couple of people who struck out above median. Considering people don't exactly advertise being OCIPWNED and taking into account ITE Cornell places around 50% into biglaw, there are plenty of people above median who must strike out. HTH.

Plenty of people above median "must" strike out? Are you sure?


Yes. Median isn't a magic line at Cornell where suddenly everyone above it gets a market paying job.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:50 pm

^So what's the cutoff point where it becomes a crapshoot?

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:52 pm

HeavenWood wrote:^So what's the cutoff point where it becomes a crapshoot?


Who knows. But it isn't median.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:55 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:^So what's the cutoff point where it becomes a crapshoot?


Who knows. But it isn't median.

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. Maybe your sample size of two was unusually aspie. Either way, I would suspect "some" people strike out above median. "Many" seems too harsh, especially when you account for self-selection into Article III clerkships/preftigiouf PI. Or maybe you like being an alarmist.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:59 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:^So what's the cutoff point where it becomes a crapshoot?


Who knows. But it isn't median.

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. Maybe your sample size of two was unusually aspie. Either way, I would suspect "some" people strike out above median. "Many" seems too harsh, especially when you account for self-selection into Article III clerkships/preftigiouf PI. Or maybe you like being an alarmist.


A3 clerkship is barely 7%. As for preftigiouf PI, I don't have an exact number but it's super low considering how biglaw focused everyone at Cornell is.

And "many" isn't being alarmist. I also know plenty of people BELOW median who got a biglaw job. Unless Cornell is suddenly placing 70%+ into biglaw, if you account for URM/IP/Below Median who got a job at OCI, it's undeniable that MANY above medians struck out.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Ikki » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:59 pm

Way yo be a jackass with an alt account Ajax. (more than this thread, I'm referring to your overall douchbaggery all over the Cornell threads)

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:00 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
ajaxconstructions wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:^So what's the cutoff point where it becomes a crapshoot?


Who knows. But it isn't median.

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. Maybe your sample size of two was unusually aspie. Either way, I would suspect "some" people strike out above median. "Many" seems too harsh, especially when you account for self-selection into Article III clerkships/preftigiouf PI. Or maybe you like being an alarmist.


A3 clerkship is barely 7%. As for preftigiouf PI, I don't have an exact number but it's super low considering how biglaw focused everyone at Cornell is.

And "many" isn't being alarmist. I also know plenty of people BELOW median who got a biglaw job. Unless Cornell is suddenly placing 70%+ into biglaw, if you account for URM/IP/Below Median who got a job at OCI, it's undeniable that MANY above medians struck out.

In other words, you're saying almost everybody is fucked.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby Ikki » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:01 pm

HeavenWood wrote:In other words, you're saying almost everybody is fucked.


Except for him obvs.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:01 pm

Ikki wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:In other words, you're saying almost everybody is fucked.


Except for him obvs.

He was born and bred for success and achievement.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby ajaxconstructions » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:03 pm

Ikki wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:In other words, you're saying almost everybody is fucked.


Except for him obvs.


I'm fucked too. Just not as fucked as below medians. Way to miss the point.

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Re: Cornell Updated Bid List - Bottom 3rd

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:04 pm

ajaxconstructions wrote:
Ikki wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:In other words, you're saying almost everybody is fucked.


Except for him obvs.


I'm fucked too. Just not as fucked as below medians. Way to miss the point.

You're fucked by virtue of your warm, tender-hearted personality. I don't care what your grades are.




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