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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:55 pm

manofjustice wrote:


I am a little confused by the hiring grid. If I want to know how large the 2L summer class is going to be in 2012, I go to expected, 2012, summer, 2L, and Paul Weiss shows a summer class of 106? Do I have this right?

http://www.nalpdirectory.com/employer_p ... eiss%22%7D


Yes, they have a large class.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby bluelovebug » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:42 pm

manofjustice wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
PennBull wrote:Is there generally solid correlation between the sizes of summer classes from year to year? In other words, can we use the #s for the sizes of 2012 summers and just assume they'll be the same or pretty close?


I assume most classes will be similar. Practice groups fluctuate, and some firms are doing better than others. So there may be variations but I expect over all it's about similar.

So, be aware of firms with smaller classes.


Generally there is a correlation, but post-crash, median class sizes fell by about a third, from 12 to 8. So 2011 was 9, IIRC. So, ya know, we are waiting here for a rebound...


Penn 3L here, I lurked on these threads a lot last year but I rarely (if ever) actually post. Thought I would weigh in and give back for current lurkers. FYI currently summering in NYC; had a multitude of offers in NYC and a couple of other markets.

You should definitely rely on past years class sizes when you are creating your bid list. Firms don't necessarily have the same class size every year because class sizes fluctuate a lot (especially in recent years) based on the economy. But firms that had the biggest class sizes for 2012 are very likely to have the biggest class sizes next year as well (regardless of whether all class sizes go up or down). Likewise, firms that have small class sizes this year are also likely to have small class sizes next year (even if all class sizes increase by 10%). You shouldn't be targeting firms with a specific class size anyway; you need to bid on firms with large classes generally. Generally speaking, it is safe for you to assume that firms with the largest classes this year will also be the firms with the largest classes next year, regardless of whether the actual numbers are similar to this year.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:30 am

How we all doing? Due tonight!

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby drd » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:57 am

PennBull wrote:How we all doing? Due tonight!


Resisting the urge to make last-minute changes!

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:04 am

drd wrote:
PennBull wrote:How we all doing? Due tonight!


Resisting the urge to make last-minute changes!


I am not resisting that urge haha. Just dropped a firm 21 spots.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby dpk711 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:10 am

Resisting the urge to use up my last 15 bids on firms/regions that I know I won't be interested in.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby drd » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:34 am

PennBull wrote:
drd wrote:
PennBull wrote:How we all doing? Due tonight!


Resisting the urge to make last-minute changes!


I am not resisting that urge haha. Just dropped a firm 21 spots.

Ouch. Would be hilarious if firms could see the evolution of their bid rank in each student's list. Panicking and moving up firms I really want but thought I could get with low bids, shattering my bid plan

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby dabomb75 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:34 pm

dpk711 wrote:Resisting the urge to use up my last 15 bids on firms/regions that I know I won't be interested in.


My last 20 or so bids are literally just shots in the dark at random firms I know nothing about. I have no idea how someone could seriously be interested in 60 different firms.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby dpk711 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:21 pm

dabomb75 wrote:
dpk711 wrote:Resisting the urge to use up my last 15 bids on firms/regions that I know I won't be interested in.


My last 20 or so bids are literally just shots in the dark at random firms I know nothing about. I have no idea how someone could seriously be interested in 60 different firms.

Ends up that I couldn't resist my urge. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby r6_philly » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:00 pm

I literally bid the V20. I can't pick so many firms.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:24 am

r6_philly wrote:I literally bid the V20. I can't pick so many firms.


There were 13 firms I care about a lot. Ordered them in my top 13. After that, it's just names and ampersands that don't mean shit to me. They all pay market (or at least the 60 I bid), I want to do anything corporate, and I only want to be in NYC. No need to get picky.

So my entire bid strategy was based on how can I get the most interviews. Interview slot sizes/estimated popularity. I'll worry about how much I like the firm when I get the interviews.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:49 am

Que sera, sera, 'n at.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:16 pm

Anyone have any advice/opinions on what classes and profs they feel are worth taking this fall?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby HeavenWood » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any advice/opinions on what classes and profs they feel are worth taking this fall?

Good thing you protected your identity before asking that question. :p
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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any advice/opinions on what classes and profs they feel are worth taking this fall?


Antitrust with Klick will be the best class ever.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:36 pm

If we haven't heard yet about journals, does that mean we did not make journals? Or is the review process ongoing? Even if we really screwed up, we would still know if we didn't make any journals?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby HeavenWood » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If we haven't heard yet about journals, does that mean we did not make journals? Or is the review process ongoing? Even if we really screwed up, we would still know if we didn't make any journals?

Journal info is supposed to be released later this month, I believe. I also think that if you put in at least a quarter-decent effort, it's almost impossible not to get something.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby r6_philly » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:31 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:If we haven't heard yet about journals, does that mean we did not make journals? Or is the review process ongoing? Even if we really screwed up, we would still know if we didn't make any journals?

Journal info is supposed to be released later this month, I believe. I also think that if you put in at least a quarter-decent effort, it's almost impossible not to get something.


LR or bust! :mrgreen:

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:40 pm

How many interviews does everyone have on their preliminary schedule?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How many interviews does everyone have on their preliminary schedule?

28--Philly, some other secondary markets, NYC
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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:41 pm

25. Mostly NY, some Philly and home market.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:46 pm

only 20. wow, guess i didn't bid as well as i thought. all nyc

also, is there any harm in getting on the wait list for a ton of firms? i'm assuming it's hard to get an interview off the wait lists

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:53 pm

28. Got all of my top 20. All are in NYC (basically the whole V20) and a secondary market.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:55 pm

I looked through some old Penn OCI threads on here, and after the wait lists some people had over 30 interviews. One specifically said in 2010 that they got 10 interviews from the wait list. How many firms are you going on the wait list for?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:57 pm

16, almost all cali

im assuming thats on the low side and i must've messed up somewhere




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