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2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:15 pm

Figured it would be nice to bring all the Penn folks together and try to sort some stuff out, maybe some people know more than others about particular firms and such.

Ask questions, give advice, seek/give encouragement. Let's all go get jobs!

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby absolutazn87 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:43 am

thanks for making the thread! tagging!

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby dpk711 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:45 am

tagged

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:48 am

I really have no idea what I'm doing with this stuff. I pretty much just want to slap all the NY offices down and call it a day haha

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby OutCold » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:01 pm

PennBull wrote:I really have no idea what I'm doing with this stuff. I pretty much just want to slap all the NY offices down and call it a day haha


That has basically been my strategy. NY offices with big classes.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:32 pm

OutCold wrote:
PennBull wrote:I really have no idea what I'm doing with this stuff. I pretty much just want to slap all the NY offices down and call it a day haha


That has basically been my strategy. NY offices with big classes.


We find the big summer classes from the pie chart thing Penn gave us + NALP right?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Pate » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:49 pm

Any "feel" for Philly?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby manofjustice » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:51 pm

Can anyone take a look at participating firms' NALP OCI sheets and tell us a) what direction GPA cutoffs are going and b) what direction class sizes are going..........ktahnkx 1000 million.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby OutCold » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:33 pm

PennBull wrote:
OutCold wrote:
PennBull wrote:I really have no idea what I'm doing with this stuff. I pretty much just want to slap all the NY offices down and call it a day haha


That has basically been my strategy. NY offices with big classes.


We find the big summer classes from the pie chart thing Penn gave us + NALP right?


Yeah. NALP lets you check by office. The Penn charts are a little misleading because some firms have fairly large aggregate positions, but take more in DC than NYC. Also, a lot of the class sizes change quite a bit year to year. Off the top of my head: Jones Day, STB, Weil, Paul Weiss, etc etc.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby OutCold » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:34 pm

manofjustice wrote:Can anyone take a look at participating firms' NALP OCI sheets and tell us a) what direction GPA cutoffs are going and b) what direction class sizes are going..........ktahnkx 1000 million.


It really varies firm to firm.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby manofjustice » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:11 pm

OutCold wrote:
manofjustice wrote:Can anyone take a look at participating firms' NALP OCI sheets and tell us a) what direction GPA cutoffs are going and b) what direction class sizes are going..........ktahnkx 1000 million.


It really varies firm to firm.


How 'bout "advancers versus decliners"...do we see more of the one than the other (w/ respect to class size)?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby OutCold » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:51 pm

I started to look into it when they updated the NALP directory but so many offices were missing that I just decided to hold off until they had everything back up and running. I haven't gone back to it, and someone who has can chime in, but it was really fairly split, with only a couple of big movers that I can't remember now. I'm guessing it just depends on who had a good year and who didn't. I did notice when I went through the old data that the predictions were pretty accurate in most cases though.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby r6_philly » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:57 am

I guess I shouldn't put down the whole V60? :mrgreen:

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:49 am

manofjustice wrote:
OutCold wrote:
manofjustice wrote:Can anyone take a look at participating firms' NALP OCI sheets and tell us a) what direction GPA cutoffs are going and b) what direction class sizes are going..........ktahnkx 1000 million.


It really varies firm to firm.


How 'bout "advancers versus decliners"...do we see more of the one than the other (w/ respect to class size)?


Anybody?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:44 am

Mayer Brown (NY) seems to have a larger class size this year. They have 13 in NY (NALP says 11, but the data's off because the firm took on two Dewey summers after NALP collected data).

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:46 am

Anonymous User wrote:Mayer Brown (NY) seems to have a larger class size this year. They have 13 in NY (NALP says 11, but the data's off because the firm took on two Dewey summers after NALP collected data).


Does that mean they'll take on an additional two for next year though? I consider any after-effects of the Dewey situation to be complete flukes.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby manofjustice » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:41 am

PennBull wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Mayer Brown (NY) seems to have a larger class size this year. They have 13 in NY (NALP says 11, but the data's off because the firm took on two Dewey summers after NALP collected data).


Does that mean they'll take on an additional two for next year though? I consider any after-effects of the Dewey situation to be complete flukes.


Why?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:55 am

manofjustice wrote:
PennBull wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Mayer Brown (NY) seems to have a larger class size this year. They have 13 in NY (NALP says 11, but the data's off because the firm took on two Dewey summers after NALP collected data).


Does that mean they'll take on an additional two for next year though? I consider any after-effects of the Dewey situation to be complete flukes.


Why?


Biglaw firm goes bankrupt and sends associates and partners everywhere? Idk, just seems like the effects of this can't be considered long term.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:18 pm

Could someone please link to where we can view a firm's SA class size and in which particular cities? I'm having trouble tracking it down for some reason.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby PennBull » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:33 pm

Is there generally solid correlation between the sizes of summer classes from year to year? In other words, can we use the #s for the sizes of 2012 summers and just assume they'll be the same or pretty close?

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:37 pm

PennBull wrote:Is there generally solid correlation between the sizes of summer classes from year to year? In other words, can we use the #s for the sizes of 2012 summers and just assume they'll be the same or pretty close?


I assume most classes will be similar. Practice groups fluctuate, and some firms are doing better than others. So there may be variations but I expect over all it's about similar.

So, be aware of firms with smaller classes.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby manofjustice » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:43 pm

r6_philly wrote:
PennBull wrote:Is there generally solid correlation between the sizes of summer classes from year to year? In other words, can we use the #s for the sizes of 2012 summers and just assume they'll be the same or pretty close?


I assume most classes will be similar. Practice groups fluctuate, and some firms are doing better than others. So there may be variations but I expect over all it's about similar.

So, be aware of firms with smaller classes.


Generally there is a correlation, but post-crash, median class sizes fell by about a third, from 12 to 8. So 2011 was 9, IIRC. So, ya know, we are waiting here for a rebound...

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:46 pm

manofjustice wrote:Generally there is a correlation, but post-crash, median class sizes fell by about a third, from 12 to 8. So 2011 was 9, IIRC. So, ya know, we are waiting here for a rebound...


I don't see a rebound just yet from where I am at. Yes the crash is history, but corporate clients are wiser on legal expenditures. Many firms shed weight during the crash and are doing better now, so they are cautious about getting back on the binge.

ETA I mean be aware of classes that are still getting smaller.

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Re: 2012 Penn OCI Thread

Postby manofjustice » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:54 pm



I am a little confused by the hiring grid. If I want to know how large the 2L summer class is going to be in 2012, I go to expected, 2012, summer, 2L, and Paul Weiss shows a summer class of 106? Do I have this right?

http://www.nalpdirectory.com/employer_p ... eiss%22%7D




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