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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby rayiner » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'd love for someone to ask a semi-critical question, rather than just a bunch of sycophantic 1L's.


Attend tomorrow and ask serious questions!

Dean's Town Hall:

Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012
Time: 12:00 PM - 1:30 PM
Location: Levy Mayer LM104 Lincoln Hall
Contact: Ernest Perez
e-perez@law.northwestern.edu
312-503-1606
Group/Dept: Student Affairs

I'm a 4L and will be there.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby IAFG » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:54 pm

rayiner wrote:
I'm a 4L and will be there.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby Bumi » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:31 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'd love for someone to ask a semi-critical question, rather than just a bunch of sycophantic 1L's.


You must have missed the one in the spring, where the Dean faced heavy hitting criticism about the deepest, most important matters striking directly to the core of the school, like why can't we get a new logo and why can't we tape shit to the walls.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby darkarmour » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:34 pm

Bumi wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'd love for someone to ask a semi-critical question, rather than just a bunch of sycophantic 1L's.


You must have missed the one in the spring, where the Dean faced heavy hitting criticism about the deepest, most important matters striking directly to the core of the school, like why can't we get a new logo and why can't we tape shit to the walls.


Ah, anyone remember Dean Van Zandt? Shame he didn't stick around.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby Icculus » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:55 am

Bumi wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'd love for someone to ask a semi-critical question, rather than just a bunch of sycophantic 1L's.


You must have missed the one in the spring, where the Dean faced heavy hitting criticism about the deepest, most important matters striking directly to the core of the school, like why can't we get a new logo and why can't we tape shit to the walls.


Hey, that ban on posters/flyers was serious stuff...

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby Holly Golightly » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:02 pm

Icculus wrote:
Bumi wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'd love for someone to ask a semi-critical question, rather than just a bunch of sycophantic 1L's.


You must have missed the one in the spring, where the Dean faced heavy hitting criticism about the deepest, most important matters striking directly to the core of the school, like why can't we get a new logo and why can't we tape shit to the walls.


Hey, that ban on posters/flyers was serious stuff...

One of my friends made a comment to me on how interesting it is that he won't let posters be taped to the wall because it doesn't look nice enough, and yet he consistently comes to school in sweats, looking like a slob.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby rinkrat19 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:07 pm

Apparently the secret to NU rising in the rankings is for students to not snitch to ATL and not get drunk wearing purple.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:26 pm

Sorry D-Rod but no amount of improvement to programming is going to make it inherently "worth," what, $5k/course?

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby bk1 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:30 pm

IAFG wrote:Sorry D-Rod but no amount of improvement to programming is going to make it inherently "worth," what, $5k/course?


But alumni magazine!

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:31 pm

bk1 wrote:
IAFG wrote:Sorry D-Rod but no amount of improvement to programming is going to make it inherently "worth," what, $5k/course?


But alumni magazine!

Well, I have to say, I agreed with a lot of what he said, which is to say I think he's less interested in doing "opposite of what DVZ did" than he was when he first got here. If this is the one exception, I can live with it.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby bjsesq » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:34 pm

IAFG wrote:
bk1 wrote:
IAFG wrote:Sorry D-Rod but no amount of improvement to programming is going to make it inherently "worth," what, $5k/course?


But alumni magazine!

Well, I have to say, I agreed with a lot of what he said, which is to say I think he's less interested in doing "opposite of what DVZ did" than he was when he first got here. If this is the one exception, I can live with it.


I wonder how much of his "wanting to change" was driven by the over-abundance of primadonnas among the profs.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby Blumpbeef » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:35 pm

I kept waiting for him to say that the International Human Rights LLM was just an innovative source of revenue.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:38 pm

Blumpbeef wrote:I kept waiting for him to say that the International Human Rights LLM was just an innovative source of revenue.

No no. Just the AJDs and tax LLMs.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:40 pm

IAFG wrote:
bk1 wrote:
IAFG wrote:Sorry D-Rod but no amount of improvement to programming is going to make it inherently "worth," what, $5k/course?


But alumni magazine!

Well, I have to say, I agreed with a lot of what he said, which is to say I think he's less interested in doing "opposite of what DVZ did" than he was when he first got here. If this is the one exception, I can live with it.


Just out of curiosity -- what does that mean (opposite of what the previous dean did)? What did the previous dean do? Sorry I'm not up to speed on the palace intrigue.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby bjsesq » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
IAFG wrote:
bk1 wrote:
IAFG wrote:Sorry D-Rod but no amount of improvement to programming is going to make it inherently "worth," what, $5k/course?


But alumni magazine!

Well, I have to say, I agreed with a lot of what he said, which is to say I think he's less interested in doing "opposite of what DVZ did" than he was when he first got here. If this is the one exception, I can live with it.


Just out of curiosity -- what does that mean (opposite of what the previous dean did)? What did the previous dean do? Sorry I'm not up to speed on the palace intrigue.


There's a lot to it. The JD profs were perturbed by his love of PHd profs. PI kids were perturbed by his focus on BigLaw. These are just the first things that come to mind.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:50 pm

bjsesq wrote:
There's a lot to it. The JD profs were perturbed by his love of PHd profs. PI kids were perturbed by his focus on BigLaw. These are just the first things that come to mind.

This, and, the Dean had a... "non-traditional" view of what "tenure" should be. It was perceived that he didn't mind losing top talent.

On the plus side, he was highly employment-focused and is credited with bringing more top employers to recruit at the LS, particularly NYC firms.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:03 pm

I was also amused by him blatantly tasking OCS with encouraging firms to take people with worse grades.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby rayiner » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:06 pm

NU pre-DVZ and NU post-DVZ is totally different. Before DVZ in 1995, NU was a backwater T14 with a heavy midwest focus. Our rankings haven't improved dramatically since then, because that's so heavily dependent on academic reputation, but they've improved solidly from 13-14 to 10-12 and more importantly employment, student selectivity, etc, are a totally different ball game.

The academics, of course, hated him: http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... allen.html

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby darkarmour » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:14 pm

rayiner wrote:NU pre-DVZ and NU post-DVZ is totally different. Before DVZ in 1995, NU was a backwater T14 with a heavy midwest focus. Our rankings haven't improved dramatically since then, because that's so heavily dependent on academic reputation, but they've improved solidly from 13-14 to 10-12 and more importantly employment, student selectivity, etc, are a totally different ball game.

The academics, of course, hated him: http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... allen.html


To be fair, I understand there was some substance to the argument that he was pushing a particular ideological approach to law.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby bjsesq » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:36 pm

darkarmour wrote:
rayiner wrote:NU pre-DVZ and NU post-DVZ is totally different. Before DVZ in 1995, NU was a backwater T14 with a heavy midwest focus. Our rankings haven't improved dramatically since then, because that's so heavily dependent on academic reputation, but they've improved solidly from 13-14 to 10-12 and more importantly employment, student selectivity, etc, are a totally different ball game.

The academics, of course, hated him: http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... allen.html


To be fair, I understand there was some substance to the argument that he was pushing a particular ideological approach to law.


I dunno, but the people who really dislike the guy are, in my experience anyway, some serious dipshits. I never interacted much with DVZ, and I can't say much about the guy personally. But the people who ranted against him the loudest are also some of the biggest fucking pricks at the law school.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:41 pm

Ok, so who do you think is best to raise the rankings of NU going forward? Will D-Rod help the rankings or will he hurt it? Ultimately, I don't think other considerations really matter. With rankings, all else will follow (faculty, employers, top students, etc.)

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby IAFG » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Ok, so who do you think is best to raise the rankings of NU going forward? Will D-Rod help the rankings or will he hurt it? Ultimately, I don't think other considerations really matter. With rankings, all else will follow (faculty, employers, top students, etc.)

Awesome use of anon.

I don't think employers will follow an increase in the rankings. You can point to a bunch of T20s who have effectively gained their rankings without it helping their placement.

That said, if you look at that methodology, we're sort of out of shit to game. He's right in his assumption that our academic reputation is the only metric point where we can really move much, and he's also right that it's an expensive point to attack.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby rayiner » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Ok, so who do you think is best to raise the rankings of NU going forward? Will D-Rod help the rankings or will he hurt it? Ultimately, I don't think other considerations really matter. With rankings, all else will follow (faculty, employers, top students, etc.)


The best thing to improve the ranking is improving academic reputation, which mostly involves buying highly-cited faculty. That said, I'm not sure whether rankings improvements are going to affect anything anyone cares about within the narrow range in question. Our employment is determined by our market and our relationship with employers. Firms don't really care whether NU is #9 or #12 in a given year. And I'm not really sure whether students do either, not in this day and age of transparent employment statistics.

I think what D-Rod can help with most is dealing with the financial issues, building the endowment, and focusing on clerkships. The latter is something that tangibly helps employment that DVZ ignored. Not just because it gets people employed in clerkships, but it gets more firms to OCI because they notice post-clerks from NU coming to their firm. E.g. I think they added Munger to OCI which was a nice boost for the couple of folks who got it. Remember, these firms taking up students at the top helps everyone else competing with those students.

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:52 pm

Anyone hear from Latham chi post cb?

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Re: 2012 NU OCI

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Nothing here. When was your CB? Mine was early last week.




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