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White and case Ding!
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Me too. One from Crowell & Moring today as well.Anonymous User wrote:White and case Ding!
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I'm sorry to hear about the Crowell ding. Was the office DC and when did it come? Interviewers initials?
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WHy can't there be a system in place where this doesn't happen? Jesus fucking Christ, just because I got a B in Contracts and someone else got an A-, both entirely subjectively based on some ancient professor's bullshit musings, they get way more callbacks than me and then have to worry about turning them down?? I want those callbacks. I would not decline any. Jesus I hate law school.Anonymous User wrote:I am so jealous of your predicament.Anonymous User wrote:At what point should one start thinking about declining callbacks? Should I just schedule them much later in the process and then just cancel in the event that I get an offer for which I'm comfortable accepting? I know I'm very fortunate to be in a situation to have to think about this, but I'm just curious what others' thoughts are.
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Every year there are some people with 3.0s getting BigLaw, some people with 3.3s getting 10+ callbacks, and some people with 3.5s getting 20+ callbacks. Can't blame only your grades, bro.Anonymous User wrote:WHy can't there be a system in place where this doesn't happen? Jesus fucking Christ, just because I got a B in Contracts and someone else got an A-, both entirely subjectively based on some ancient professor's bullshit musings, they get way more callbacks than me and then have to worry about turning them down?? I want those callbacks. I would not decline any. Jesus I hate law school.Anonymous User wrote:I am so jealous of your predicament.Anonymous User wrote:At what point should one start thinking about declining callbacks? Should I just schedule them much later in the process and then just cancel in the event that I get an offer for which I'm comfortable accepting? I know I'm very fortunate to be in a situation to have to think about this, but I'm just curious what others' thoughts are.
This isn't to say there is no unfairness in the hiring process. I'm just saying that no one can point the finger at ONLY their grades.
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So this was not through OGI but I did a screener in my home market about 2 weeks and 2 days ago and they told me I would hear in the next couple weeks (as in right now) once they got the rest of their interviews under way and could figure out who they wanted to call back. She told me to contact her by the 27th if I hadn't heard. What I want to do is send her an email just reiterating my interest in the firm and saying as much - "Greetings X, I hope you are well, I enjoyed meeting with you, I just want to reiterate my interest in Firm X, etc.". I feel like since my screener was so long ago and I'm out in VA I might get forgotten. Is this legit to do?
ETA: for the people that say it's a death knell that I haven't heard yet, this firm notoriously takes a longer time to call people back
ETA: for the people that say it's a death knell that I haven't heard yet, this firm notoriously takes a longer time to call people back
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Great and mighty 3Ls:
Can y'all offer any information as to how to beast callback interviews? Please nothing along the lines of "Just be yourself and be relaxed." What kinds of questions did interviewers ask? How did you approach a callback differently from a screener, especially when the names of the interviewers won't be available?
Can y'all offer any information as to how to beast callback interviews? Please nothing along the lines of "Just be yourself and be relaxed." What kinds of questions did interviewers ask? How did you approach a callback differently from a screener, especially when the names of the interviewers won't be available?
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Almost all firms will email you a list of the people you are meeting with a day or two before the callback. When that happens, just go on the firm's website, look up the lawyers and see where they went to school, what kind of cases they work on, etc. I actually made notes on each person and brought them to the callback so I could refresh my memory before sitting down with them. For the one firm that didn't give me a list of interviewers, I spent a lot of time poking around the website and internets to find out as much as I could about the work they did.Anonymous User wrote:Great and mighty 3Ls:
Can y'all offer any information as to how to beast callback interviews? Please nothing along the lines of "Just be yourself and be relaxed." What kinds of questions did interviewers ask? How did you approach a callback differently from a screener, especially when the names of the interviewers won't be available?
In my experience, the callbacks are a lot like longer screeners. Some attorneys want you to ask more questions, so be prepared for that. I found the best approach was to ask questions I really wanted answers to -- I wanted a sense of what the work is like, what kind of work I might get to do as a junior associate. I asked people lots of questions about the work they do. I never asked a question about what the summer associate program was like because I really didn't care.
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Is it totally unacceptable to cancel a callback a day in advance? I don't want to be disrespectful, but I don't want to waste peoples' time either.
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I don't know, but sometimes there are rules where they charge you for the hotel room if you don't cancel 24/48 hours in advance.Anonymous User wrote:Is it totally unacceptable to cancel a callback a day in advance? I don't want to be disrespectful, but I don't want to waste peoples' time either.
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It's not totally unacceptable. You're saving them over $1000 in attorney time alone. I canceled the morning of a callback and my punishment was getting a little lip from the recruiting lady.Anonymous User wrote:Is it totally unacceptable to cancel a callback a day in advance? I don't want to be disrespectful, but I don't want to waste peoples' time either.
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Because of the way I scheduled my callbacks, I'll be missing a good chunk of the first two week of classes. Should I email my professors giving a heads-up? Also where on Lawweb does it say which classes require first-day attendance to ensure enrollment?
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There are classes like this? Umm....Anonymous User wrote:Because of the way I scheduled my callbacks, I'll be missing a good chunk of the first two week of classes. Should I email my professors giving a heads-up? Also where on Lawweb does it say which classes require first-day attendance to ensure enrollment?
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In a similar situation -- I e-mailed just to gauge responses, and indeed they were mixed (although mostly understanding). So maybe a good idea just to see, although either way I'm putting job stuff first.
The first day attendance requirement I think is under "Current Courses," and then you click the descriptions of your courses, and it should say there.
The first day attendance requirement I think is under "Current Courses," and then you click the descriptions of your courses, and it should say there.
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Putting "job stuff" first is definitely the way to go. I actually dropped a class last fall when the professor said he wouldn't record classes that students missed due to callbacks. I missed a big chunk of the first month of school, but was able to catch up by doing the reading and listening to recorded classes.Anonymous User wrote:In a similar situation -- I e-mailed just to gauge responses, and indeed they were mixed (although mostly understanding). So maybe a good idea just to see, although either way I'm putting job stuff first.
The first day attendance requirement I think is under "Current Courses," and then you click the descriptions of your courses, and it should say there.
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I kind of think professors should be required to record all fall 2L/3L courses. I can think of a few excuses they might provide for why they shouldn't be required to do so. None of them are very persuasive.StanleyF wrote:Putting "job stuff" first is definitely the way to go. I actually dropped a class last fall when the professor said he wouldn't record classes that students missed due to callbacks. I missed a big chunk of the first month of school, but was able to catch up by doing the reading and listening to recorded classes.Anonymous User wrote:In a similar situation -- I e-mailed just to gauge responses, and indeed they were mixed (although mostly understanding). So maybe a good idea just to see, although either way I'm putting job stuff first.
The first day attendance requirement I think is under "Current Courses," and then you click the descriptions of your courses, and it should say there.
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+1. At least for the first few weeks. I can understand they don't want students to rely on recordings to the point they just refuse to show up to the actual class but c'mon on. I'm trying to get a job here.Anonymous User wrote:I kind of think professors should be required to record all fall 2L/3L courses. I can think of a few excuses they might provide for why they shouldn't be required to do so. None of them are very persuasive.StanleyF wrote:Putting "job stuff" first is definitely the way to go. I actually dropped a class last fall when the professor said he wouldn't record classes that students missed due to callbacks. I missed a big chunk of the first month of school, but was able to catch up by doing the reading and listening to recorded classes.Anonymous User wrote:In a similar situation -- I e-mailed just to gauge responses, and indeed they were mixed (although mostly understanding). So maybe a good idea just to see, although either way I'm putting job stuff first.
The first day attendance requirement I think is under "Current Courses," and then you click the descriptions of your courses, and it should say there.
I've been emailing all my professors and some of them are a little ... passive-aggressive. One even implied, in a total round-about way, that I drop the class entirely if I would be missing the first two days.
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Should I be emailing my professors? I haven't been doing this- I'm taking 4 big lecture classes and I figured it's unlikely they'll notice I'm not there the first two weeks.
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If they cold call from a class list then there's always the chance you'll be called upon while absent. Not that it's the end of the world if attendance wasn't compulsory, it just has the potential to be a little embarrassing.Anonymous User wrote:Should I be emailing my professors? I haven't been doing this- I'm taking 4 big lecture classes and I figured it's unlikely they'll notice I'm not there the first two weeks.
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Has anyone else been asked the same exact questions in a CB as you were asked in the screener? I'm wondering if the interviewer has a copy of your answers from the screener and wants to see if you can come up with something different.
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How could an interviewer at a screener possibly write down all or even most of your answer to any question?Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone else been asked the same exact questions in a CB as you were asked in the screener? I'm wondering if the interviewer has a copy of your answers from the screener and wants to see if you can come up with something different.
Certainly at mine they were busily engaged in conversation, only scribbling occasional notes. Any answer they noted would only be partial.
That besides, being asked the same question in a different situation is likely to elicit a different response. Let's say at the screener the first question is what attracted you to the firm and you go on about it's fantastic litigation department. Now, two weeks later, you're at a callback and while walking the corridor you chat to the partner about the litigation department. Then in his office he asks you what attracted you to the firm. You'll probably touch very quickly on litigation and move on to other things because you've already discussed the litigation practice. Or, perhaps in your research about the firm you learned of something interesting done by that partner or his section of the firm. You might talk about that because he's in front of you.
I can't see how anything relevant could come from such a strategy.
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I was referring more to questions where an answer wouldn't evolve over researching a firm - like what was the most interesting thing you did this summer, what was your favorite class in law school, etc. But yeah, I guess I am being a tad paranoid.albanach wrote:How could an interviewer at a screener possibly write down all or even most of your answer to any question?Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone else been asked the same exact questions in a CB as you were asked in the screener? I'm wondering if the interviewer has a copy of your answers from the screener and wants to see if you can come up with something different.
Certainly at mine they were busily engaged in conversation, only scribbling occasional notes. Any answer they noted would only be partial.
That besides, being asked the same question in a different situation is likely to elicit a different response. Let's say at the screener the first question is what attracted you to the firm and you go on about it's fantastic litigation department. Now, two weeks later, you're at a callback and while walking the corridor you chat to the partner about the litigation department. Then in his office he asks you what attracted you to the firm. You'll probably touch very quickly on litigation and move on to other things because you've already discussed the litigation practice. Or, perhaps in your research about the firm you learned of something interesting done by that partner or his section of the firm. You might talk about that because he's in front of you.
I can't see how anything relevant could come from such a strategy.
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More than a tad, imo. I mean, there's only so many questions to ask, it'd be far more surprising if you didn't have any repeat questions after a screener + the four longer interviews of the CB.Anonymous User wrote:I was referring more to questions where an answer wouldn't evolve over researching a firm - like what was the most interesting thing you did this summer, what was your favorite class in law school, etc. But yeah, I guess I am being a tad paranoid.albanach wrote:How could an interviewer at a screener possibly write down all or even most of your answer to any question?Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone else been asked the same exact questions in a CB as you were asked in the screener? I'm wondering if the interviewer has a copy of your answers from the screener and wants to see if you can come up with something different.
Certainly at mine they were busily engaged in conversation, only scribbling occasional notes. Any answer they noted would only be partial.
That besides, being asked the same question in a different situation is likely to elicit a different response. Let's say at the screener the first question is what attracted you to the firm and you go on about it's fantastic litigation department. Now, two weeks later, you're at a callback and while walking the corridor you chat to the partner about the litigation department. Then in his office he asks you what attracted you to the firm. You'll probably touch very quickly on litigation and move on to other things because you've already discussed the litigation practice. Or, perhaps in your research about the firm you learned of something interesting done by that partner or his section of the firm. You might talk about that because he's in front of you.
I can't see how anything relevant could come from such a strategy.
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Considering cancelling/declining callbacks with Akin Gump, Pillsbury, Cadwalader, Orick, and Wilkie (all NY)... Is this stupid for someone that's interested in litigation? I already have an offer from a firm that I would be comfortable accepting, but I don't want to shoot myself in the foot or anything.
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