Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby theavrock » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:58 pm

piccolittle wrote:Argh. Heart stopped when I saw a missed call + voice mail from the area code where I had my interview. Was another firm confirming my interview tomorrow. Never felt so many conflicted feelings about one phone notification....


The game is young my friend. Settle thy nerves.

Checking in here. I feel like I am late to the game. I'll be going through OCI at my school, but I won't be relying on it and plan to mass mail a ton of firms in my target markets as well as get out there as much as possible to meet people.

Let the games begin!

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:21 pm

theavrock wrote:
piccolittle wrote:Argh. Heart stopped when I saw a missed call + voice mail from the area code where I had my interview. Was another firm confirming my interview tomorrow. Never felt so many conflicted feelings about one phone notification....


The game is young my friend. Settle thy nerves.

Checking in here. I feel like I am late to the game. I'll be going through OCI at my school, but I won't be relying on it and plan to mass mail a ton of firms in my target markets as well as get out there as much as possible to meet people.

Let the games begin!


Definitely not late to the game. TLS is just incredibly neurotic.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby piccolittle » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:28 pm

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theavrock wrote:
piccolittle wrote:Argh. Heart stopped when I saw a missed call + voice mail from the area code where I had my interview. Was another firm confirming my interview tomorrow. Never felt so many conflicted feelings about one phone notification....


The game is young my friend. Settle thy nerves.

Checking in here. I feel like I am late to the game. I'll be going through OCI at my school, but I won't be relying on it and plan to mass mail a ton of firms in my target markets as well as get out there as much as possible to meet people.

Let the games begin!


Definitely not late to the game. TLS is just incredibly neurotic.

I think "late" depends on when you're leaving your summer market. I'm targeting this market and leaving in a week, so it would be late if I were only starting to send out applications now. I don't think TLS is neurotic, I just think people's circumstances differ.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby jessuf » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:28 pm

I received a phone call from an unknown caller yesterday while waiting for a taxi to pick me up. I assume it was the driver, so I answered the phone, "Hello, on my way down!" Except it was a recruiter wanting to schedule an interview. She said she would call today to confirm details, and of course I left my phone at home this morning in my rush to work. She e-mailed me later the details and said she had tried calling me. I get home to see I have three missed calls from her. I am NOT making a good impression.

However, I have a callback with my favorite secondary market firm tomorrow, so fingers crossed!

And finally, I sent out about 120+ mass mails to DC firms about 2 weeks ago, and aside from a few "apply through OCI" or "apply online," I haven't heard a peep. I hate the wait for rejection so much.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby jessuf » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:30 pm

Also, question: should I wait until I receive my journal results the first or second week of August to start mass mailing again?

I have all NYC firms + about 50 more DC firms to mass mail, but I put the process on hold for now while I wait for journal results in case it might boost me a bit.

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Postby rad lulz » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:41 pm

Jessuf wrote:Also, question: should I wait until I receive my journal results the first or second week of August to start mass mailing again?

I have all NYC firms + about 50 more DC firms to mass mail, but I put the process on hold for now while I wait for journal results in case it might boost me a bit.

You could use it as a followup opportunity.

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Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:43 pm

Jessuf wrote:Also, question: should I wait until I receive my journal results the first or second week of August to start mass mailing again?

I have all NYC firms + about 50 more DC firms to mass mail, but I put the process on hold for now while I wait for journal results in case it might boost me a bit.


This might be a little late-I've already been dinged by 2 DC firms via mass-mail. Waiting until mid August could potentially put you behind the game.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby piccolittle » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:46 pm

rad lulz wrote:
Jessuf wrote:Also, question: should I wait until I receive my journal results the first or second week of August to start mass mailing again?

I have all NYC firms + about 50 more DC firms to mass mail, but I put the process on hold for now while I wait for journal results in case it might boost me a bit.

You could use it as a followup opportunity.

Yes yes yes. Send out now and provide them with an update later :)

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby jessuf » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:17 pm

Ok, thanks. I know some TLSers waited until journal results, but they already heard back and I have to wait a million years. I will send the remaining resumes this week. :)

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:49 am

How many mass mailings should I have done at this point? (I haven't heard anything back)

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby ilovesf » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:How many mass mailings should I have done at this point? (I haven't heard anything back)

I've only done 3 lol. I just feel like I don't have the time to research firms and write cover letters, ugh.

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Postby fingersxd » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:08 am

If you're telling a firm that you are mass-mailing that you will be in their city on [x days], how much notice is reasonable?

For instance, I'll be in my target market in 10-14 days. I'm finalizing cover letters and the like now. If I send them out by week's end is that sufficient time? Or would firm's look down on me for the short notice?

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby shock259 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:19 am

I'm using one cover letter and I add a sentence to it about practice groups or something else notable. Seems like a decent compromise between mass mailing and targeted mailing.

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Postby ilovesf » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:21 am

shock259 wrote:I'm using one cover letter and I add a sentence to it about practice groups or something else notable. Seems like a decent compromise between mass mailing and targeted mailing.

Problem is I don't know what I want to practice so I just end up saying I want lit & they have a lot of lit practice groups but that sounds super lame.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby mr_toad » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:22 am

shock259 wrote:I'm using one cover letter and I add a sentence to it about practice groups or something else notable. Seems like a decent compromise between mass mailing and targeted mailing.


Georgetown OCS specifically recommended not tailoring cover letters at this stage. I think what shock259 proposes is about as far as you need to go. I've not tailored at all (beyond noting some regional ties where appropriate) and have two interview offers at firms from my home area as well as several offers from NY firms to interview at OCI if I don't get a slot through bidding. Significant tailoring may help, but not at the cost of volume, from what I've seen and heard.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby letsdoit » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:23 am

fingersxd wrote:If you're telling a firm that you are mass-mailing that you will be in their city on [x days], how much notice is reasonable?

For instance, I'll be in my target market in 10-14 days. I'm finalizing cover letters and the like now. If I send them out by week's end is that sufficient time? Or would firm's look down on me for the short notice?


Send them yesterday. HTH.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby bazinga! » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:57 am

Sending out about 20 mass mails (is that what they're called? packets maybe?) right now. Nerves are high. Good luck to everyone out there!

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby fingersxd » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:21 pm

mr_toad wrote:
shock259 wrote:I'm using one cover letter and I add a sentence to it about practice groups or something else notable. Seems like a decent compromise between mass mailing and targeted mailing.


Georgetown OCS specifically recommended not tailoring cover letters at this stage. I think what shock259 proposes is about as far as you need to go. I've not tailored at all (beyond noting some regional ties where appropriate) and have two interview offers at firms from my home area as well as several offers from NY firms to interview at OCI if I don't get a slot through bidding. Significant tailoring may help, but not at the cost of volume, from what I've seen and heard.


A little confused. Is TCR to mass-mail even those firms that are coming to OCI in advance just in case you don't get a bid?

I've only been reaching out to those that aren't coming to OCI and was planning to follow up with OCI bids if I didn't get one, not before.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby akili » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:26 pm

I found an alumni from my law school doing the work I want to, in the city I want to, and with a firm I'm really interested in. Obviously I should contact her, but I'm not sure how to phrase the email.

Do I just say I'm interested in working in that city and in the practice group she's in? I don't want to cross any etiquette lines and I haven't seen an example of what to mail alumni.

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Postby letsdoit » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:31 pm

akili wrote:I found an alumni from my law school doing the work I want to, in the city I want to, and with a firm I'm really interested in. Obviously I should contact her, but I'm not sure how to phrase the email.

Do I just say I'm interested in working in that city and in the practice group she's in? I don't want to cross any etiquette lines and I haven't seen an example of what to mail alumni.


More or less, what you said. Just say you are interested in the legal market and her practice. Just avoid sounding like you're inquiring about a job, focus on wanting to know what her experience is. I did the same thing with a couple of attorneys in my target market and had some success.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby kalvano » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:35 pm

akili wrote:I found an alumni from my law school doing the work I want to, in the city I want to, and with a firm I'm really interested in. Obviously I should contact her, but I'm not sure how to phrase the email.

Do I just say I'm interested in working in that city and in the practice group she's in? I don't want to cross any etiquette lines and I haven't seen an example of what to mail alumni.



"Dear Mr(s). xxxxx:

My name is Xxxx Xxxxxx , and I am a second-year student at XXX. I apologize if this seems a little forward, but I am sending out applications to firms in other cities for a summer position, and I noticed that you received your JD from XXX as well. As I am very interested in the XXX area and specifically in your practice area, I was hoping you might be able to give me some guidance on who to contact.

Why you like the city / area, some personal details. Keep it short, a couple-three lines. Enough they know it's not a form email.

I understand that you are very busy, but given my interest in the city and in your practice area, I thought it worth a try to get in contact with you.

Thanks for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Sincerely,

Me"




Something like that worked well for me.

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby mr_toad » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:39 pm

fingersxd wrote:
mr_toad wrote:
shock259 wrote:I'm using one cover letter and I add a sentence to it about practice groups or something else notable. Seems like a decent compromise between mass mailing and targeted mailing.


Georgetown OCS specifically recommended not tailoring cover letters at this stage. I think what shock259 proposes is about as far as you need to go. I've not tailored at all (beyond noting some regional ties where appropriate) and have two interview offers at firms from my home area as well as several offers from NY firms to interview at OCI if I don't get a slot through bidding. Significant tailoring may help, but not at the cost of volume, from what I've seen and heard.


A little confused. Is TCR to mass-mail even those firms that are coming to OCI in advance just in case you don't get a bid?

I've only been reaching out to those that aren't coming to OCI and was planning to follow up with OCI bids if I didn't get one, not before.


Not TCR, our OCS section rep said could go either way, but it won't annoy most firms (most of whom will tell you just to bid on them anyway), and several (3-4) have said to contact them if I don't get a slot to set up interviews at a free moment. A couple others straight up dinged me (luckily I hadn't bid either of those, they were kind of out of my price range). But yeah, most firms with a presence at OCI seem to want to go through that channel first (understandably).

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby shock259 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:48 pm

My game plan is to make a list of:firms that come to OCI but I don't get an interview with.

And then mass mail them as soon as I get my interview list back (about a week before OCI).

I'm hoping it'll take a few days to process and I'll start hearing back from them about when OCI actually starts. Waiting until after OCI seems like a bad idea (even if CLS's EIP is really early).

Edit: I'm still struggling to find a good list of NY firms to work from. Need to mail NY firms NOT coming to EIP. NALP is worthless, Resume Launchpad seems really outdated, career services doesn't have anything. I guess I'll start going down the Vault list?

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby tedalbany » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:54 pm

Got my first interview request :D It's over lunch but with a hiring attorney.

Preparing my cover letters now for another large mass mail batch ... Hoping to send out at least 100+

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Re: Summer 2013 Non-OCI Job Hunt (Mass Mail, Job Fairs, etc)

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:20 pm

shock259 wrote:My game plan is to make a list of:firms that come to OCI but I don't get an interview with.

And then mass mail them as soon as I get my interview list back (about a week before OCI).

I'm hoping it'll take a few days to process and I'll start hearing back from them about when OCI actually starts. Waiting until after OCI seems like a bad idea (even if CLS's EIP is really early).

Edit: I'm still struggling to find a good list of NY firms to work from. Need to mail NY firms NOT coming to EIP. NALP is worthless, Resume Launchpad seems really outdated, career services doesn't have anything. I guess I'll start going down the Vault list?


I don't know this for sure since I'm not at CLS, but I don't think any NY firm hiring SAs would NOT be coming to CLS.




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